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Title: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 16 December 2007, 15:48:06
I'm gonna get one or two and I'd like some recommendations.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Abominator on 16 December 2007, 15:51:45
You can't go wrong with Gunstar Heroes, the Marios, Donkey Kong Country...

Getting N64 games is always fun too, since they get high-res'd.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Aych on 16 December 2007, 15:53:41
Get Lunar Pool. All you'll ever need.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Abominator on 16 December 2007, 16:09:44
...right.

Neo Geo stuff is good too.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Xero on 16 December 2007, 16:13:31
I have yet to get a VC game.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Kamon on 16 December 2007, 16:23:07
I second Gunstar Heroes.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 16 December 2007, 18:16:28
I have yet to get a VC game.

Same. If I did, it would Ocarina of Time.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 16 December 2007, 18:19:49
Well, what is best from each system?


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 16 December 2007, 19:03:56
Sano and I are the few here that actually LIKE Sin and Punishment.

My friends and I are currently going through all the Donkey Kong Country games. We finished the first and second one so far, waiting for the third to come out.

I wanted to get Ocarina of Time to do my yearly one sitting run, but I always just shrugged and got another game instead.

Also, my first VC game was Legend of Zelda for the NES.

And that's about it for me.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Kamon on 16 December 2007, 19:17:22
Well, what is best from each system?

Gunstar Heroes takes it for the MegaDrive/Genesis


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 16 December 2007, 19:50:57
So I'm leaning towards Gunstar Heroes now, but still undecided.
If ANYBODY thinks there is a better game, say so in the next few hours.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 16 December 2007, 20:19:40
Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

Then again, that's my favourite Sega Genesis game.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 16 December 2007, 20:47:09
Nah, don't get any Sonic games.

Just get Sonic Mega Collection for the cube. Same thing, only 20 bucks, more games. :D

I suggest Super Mario 3.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 16 December 2007, 20:47:11
I like #3 better. You get fire sonic and crap.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 16 December 2007, 20:48:02
Sonic 3 is only good when you combine it with Sonic & Knuckles.

My favorite is Sonic 2 for some reason. Although I do love Sonic 3 & Knuckles too...


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Abominator on 16 December 2007, 21:21:16
Sonic 3 is only good when you combine it with Sonic & Knuckles.

My favorite is Sonic 2 for some reason. Although I do love Sonic 3 & Knuckles too...

All accurate.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 16 December 2007, 22:58:38
I read on a site, that Super Mario RPG was in consideration for the virtual console.

I haven't seen it, but that's all I really really want on my Wii. There are some games already up that I'd like to play, but I'd have to read the list.

EDIT: Oh yes, and the original Smash Bros. I was a fool and sold my copy.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 16 December 2007, 23:23:16
Why play the original when you can play teh Melee?

Although there are a few things here and there that are only in the original... like BOARD THE PLATFORMS... I hope it's back in Brawl.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 16 December 2007, 23:30:44
Why settle for Melee when you can have ALL THREE ON YOUR WII!?


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 16 December 2007, 23:46:35
There's something about the original that Melee just doesn't have.

Maybe it's this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvljN9ycqLg) feeling.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 16 December 2007, 23:48:09
^ I always loved that commercial.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Kamon on 16 December 2007, 23:55:44
First time I've ever seen it. I don't even remember there being a commercial here.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 17 December 2007, 01:15:38
I remember it when I was little. I've always wanted a Mario fighting game. When Mario made that kick in the commercial, I knew exactly what it was.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 17 December 2007, 04:24:24
I love that ad.
So much.

Also, Sonic and Knuckles was the best idea for a game ever.
I played it nonstop for months. If they add Sonic and Knuckles to the VC, and allow it to integrate with Sonic 2+3 (not sure if it worked with 1), I'll get all the sonic games no quaestions asked.

Also, after the most recent update, there is space for another channel in the 'Wii Channels' data management area, so expect another channel soon.
MAYBE a Brawl demo!? (psh, I wish).


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 17 December 2007, 05:03:02
Everybody's Nintendo Channel.

Will have videos and DS demos and stuff.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 17 December 2007, 05:09:03
Are you kidding me, or are you serious?


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 17 December 2007, 05:19:31
Serious. Google it.

It's already out in Japan too.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 17 December 2007, 05:21:33
DS, DEMOS!?!?!?!?!
As in, get near the Wii with the DS and download the demos?
 *checks a search engine to verify*

Edit: Joy of joys!
I can't wait!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 17 December 2007, 05:24:01
Hope. Ful. Ly.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 17 December 2007, 18:54:09
If they add Sonic and Knuckles to the VC, and allow it to integrate with Sonic 2+3 (not sure if it worked with 1), I'll get all the sonic games no quaestions asked.

It only worked for Sonic 2 and 3. Sonic 1 didn't allow you to Spin Dash so that's probably why it didn't work.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 17 December 2007, 19:26:27
That's not why.

It's because giving Knuckles his abilities in Sonic 1 had some sort of glitch or something, like gliding into or onto a conveyor belt froze the game or something...

Besides, people have "made" Sonic 1 have the spindash ability, I don't see why SEGA wouldn't have been able to back in 1994. Although now it's impossible to do I think.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Abominator on 17 December 2007, 19:58:10
It's doable in Sonic Jam on the Saturn...


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: KPL on 17 December 2007, 23:45:25
It was once speculated, when the games just got released, that if you finished ALL of the bonus stages when using Sonic 1 with S&K, you could unlock it.

They also gave an estimate of how long it would take to get there.. I thought it was about 4 months. NON-STOP.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 17 December 2007, 23:54:24
Aren't there over a million different special stages in that mini-game?


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: KPL on 17 December 2007, 23:56:17
Yup. pretty sick, huh.

I wanted to play as Knuckles.. Great fun in Labyrinth Zone..


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 4 January 2008, 04:42:38
OK, I've got 4,500 4,000 about 2000 points. Anyone suggest a game for me?

I'm thinking about Sin & Punishment and Star Fox 64, but I'm unsure. Other titles on my mind are...

  • Metroid (Never played it)
  • The Legend of Zelda (Recently downloaded)
  • Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link (Never played it. Will borrow the game when available, not buy)
  • Kirby's Adventure (Never played it)
  • Super Ghouls 'n' Ghosts (Never played it)
  • F-Zero X (Never played it)
  • Mario Kart 64 (To play with friends)
  • Castlevania (Never played any of them)
  • Punch Out! (Never played it)

    There's also the Donkey Kong Country games, but I've already played and beat all three.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 4 January 2008, 04:44:52
DO NOT buy Zelda 2. It would be better to pay to come kick you in the head. I'm not even joking. I think the rest should be fine but I'm not sure on some.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 04:49:35
Zelda 2's not bad if you're looking for a challenge.

I wouldn't recommend Super Ghoul's and Ghosts, though. That's TOO much challenge.

If you have some friends I'd definitely go with Mario Kart 64. Punch Out's pretty fun too, but you have to memorize a lot of things.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 4 January 2008, 04:51:19
Zelda 2 is horrible. It's the worst Zelda game I've ever played. I'm not afraid of a challenge but a game that barely even functions correctly is something else.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 04:54:08
I found it fun and original... If it were made for like, say, the Super Nintendo I bet it would be better.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 4 January 2008, 04:55:21
Well, I modified the list. Check it.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 4 January 2008, 05:01:11
I found it fun and original... If it were made for like, say, the Super Nintendo I bet it would be better.

Probably. It's not that the originality was bad, it just wasn't implemented correctly. And seriously, random battles in a Zelda game? No thankzz!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 4 January 2008, 05:04:08
It was a good game, but it wasn't a good Zelda game. That's all I was thinking the whole way through.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 05:49:10
Yeah, the side scrolling thing doesn't suit Zelda very much. It's the same for many series that go overhead to side scrolling, like YS III.

Still fun, though. And the dungeon music is awesome.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Voulnet on 4 January 2008, 10:30:02
Sonic 3 is only good when you combine it with Sonic & Knuckles.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles ftw. Most epic Sonic game ever. I use a program to run it on my cellphone. BEST way to to pass boring lectures with hypnotizing professors.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Jakey on 4 January 2008, 16:45:08
Dude, get Star Fox 64.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 4 January 2008, 16:57:59
Big time agreement with the post above.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Jakey on 4 January 2008, 16:58:51
Pretty smooth flying, Fox.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 4 January 2008, 17:02:38
Bogey on your tail!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Jakey on 4 January 2008, 17:05:17
SHOOT! He's right behind me!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 4 January 2008, 17:05:49
I'm gonna' have to sit this one out, boys.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Jakey on 4 January 2008, 17:06:51
Sorry to jet, but I'm in a hurry.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 20:17:55
You guys disappoint me. How on earth could you forget,

DO A BARREL ROLL!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 4 January 2008, 20:19:28
You did it! I was worried for a moment.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Voulnet on 4 January 2008, 20:20:43
NEVER FORGET!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/Sturaiku/Barrelroll.jpg)


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 4 January 2008, 20:23:31
I guess I should be thankful.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 4 January 2008, 22:00:22
Hey Einstein! I'm on your side!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 4 January 2008, 22:56:20
:D

This picture is NSFW, not safe for HUMANITY (as the comic is called).
From VGcats.
[spoiler](http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4074/vgcatssf64hj3.jpg)[/spoiler]


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 4 January 2008, 23:03:05
I was going to link to that. In fact, I didn't even unhide the spoiler yet and I know what it is.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 4 January 2008, 23:03:50
It's a great comic.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 4 January 2008, 23:04:49
Disturbing yet funny.

Just like the first time I saw it.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 4 January 2008, 23:43:30
VGCats sucks.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Slugkid on 4 January 2008, 23:45:35
no u


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 4 January 2008, 23:47:01
Sano, it has it's moments and this was relevant to the discussion.
There are some gems, others are a bit lame. Many suck.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 4 January 2008, 23:52:42
VGCats sucks.

Last time I heard I thought you loved it.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 4 January 2008, 23:53:46
How long ago was that ol' sidekick o' mine?


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 5 January 2008, 00:58:12
The days of Kirby Mania I believe. I know it was in an Mchat like place. So either Mchat or KM.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 5 January 2008, 01:08:05
That was when it was readable, now it just sucks.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 5 January 2008, 04:00:49
VGCats sucks.

...

*sheds a tear*


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Abominator on 5 January 2008, 04:07:01
I could never get into it.

More and more, people just seem to assume that if it's on the internet, it's funny.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: preventerWIND on 5 January 2008, 04:08:50
eg. 2 girls 1 cup

But VGcat's is pretty funny, I loved the TTGL spoof, although the last panel sucked donkey #####.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 5 January 2008, 04:10:49
I could never get into it.

More and more, people just seem to assume that if it's on the internet, it's funny.

I don't. Bob & George is on the internet.

... OK. I found it funny at times, but that's besides the point. It really started to suck when the author decided to add a plot. A plot which was confusing and retarded considering the Mega Man games.

Thank God it ended. The ending was pure #####.

EDIT: I only really like the comedy portion of VGCats. Not the anime spoofs.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 5 January 2008, 09:56:49
VG Cats is funnier when they do something that's about humans.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Voulnet on 5 January 2008, 22:40:15
Not all VGCats comics are funny, but the majority of them are, especially if you know the game/show they're mocking. You can't take that away from them.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 6 January 2008, 22:57:31
Has anyone here played F-Zero X? I need an opinion on it.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 6 January 2008, 23:00:20
Pretty good but not as good as F-Zero. I have only played F-Zero GX like about an inch so I can't compare it to either of them but it seemed pretty nice. It felt like an upgrade of F-Zero X more than F-Zero if I recall correctly. But that's fine 'cause F-Zero X was good anyway.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 6 January 2008, 23:03:25
I have F-Zero X on the VC, it's lots of fun. I was never able to get it back when it was on N64. I personally like it just as much as the original.

I just found my old DKC player's guides and they convinced me to replay them on the VC. I already had DKC1 & 2 downloaded with an intent to replay them, but I managed to get myself distracted and haven't had to time to do so.
A bonus goodie from the player's guide:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/ASRman/random/randomer/teetering.png)


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 6 January 2008, 23:57:12
Anything about Sin & Punishment?


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Kamon on 7 January 2008, 00:02:51
I have Sin and Punishment. It's good for a Rail Shooter, tho not very long from what I hear.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 7 January 2008, 00:24:04
I'm still unsure about it. If it's not great, I don't want to waste my points.

Also, I'm playing F-Zero X. This game is awesome!

I know he's trying to say "Alright! You're great!" whenever I get first, but it kinda sounds like he's saying "Alright! You're pretty!"


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 7 January 2008, 00:55:59
Don't waste your points on Sin & Punishment. The game is very messy and short, too crazy and you never really know what's going on... and it's really not all THAT fun anyway.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 7 January 2008, 05:11:10
It was OK for a very messy and short, too crazy and you never really know what's going on type of game. >_>

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it unless you like rail shooters.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 7 January 2008, 05:17:43
I thought it was pretty good, I'd have to say I thought it was the best game of the Virtual Console, due to the fact that it's one of the first games on the Virtual Console that I've never played. I still think it's pretty good.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 7 January 2008, 05:48:36
You're just a weeaboo.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 7 January 2008, 06:00:07
Dude, the Final Boss is Earth. EARTH!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 7 January 2008, 06:02:50
YOU'RE A TOWEL!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 7 January 2008, 06:12:53
Well, you're a... a... uh... A GIRL! Oh burn! Scratch mode! Zing!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 7 January 2008, 18:57:08
ASR might be a girl but that doesn't mean she doesn't have balls!

... wait a minute.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: CIMSomebody on 7 January 2008, 21:26:42
BALLOON FIGHT!!!!

...

You heard me.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 8 January 2008, 00:37:40
Balloon Fight RAWKS.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 6 August 2008, 00:52:12
Thanks for the unlock Abe.

With the release of Megaman 1 failed, I would like to spend some wii points.
What is the BEST choice for 500 point games?
I have a small poll, give me more options if they arise.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 6 August 2008, 01:09:53
You probably should just wait for MM1 to be released...


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Fatso on 6 August 2008, 01:21:03
I can't give an opinion on the other two, but I have Castlevania on VC and it's great. Personally I prefer Castlevania IV over it, but you're not in the 800-point market anyway so whatever.

Alternate suggestion: do you have SMB3 yet?


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Johncarllos on 6 August 2008, 02:19:03
You probably should just wait for MM1 to be released...

I'll have 500 left over after MM1.
This is why I want to buy a game now.

I can't give an opinion on the other two, but I have Castlevania on VC and it's great. Personally I prefer Castlevania IV over it, but you're not in the 800-point market anyway so whatever.

Alternate suggestion: do you have SMB3 yet?
No.

Posted on: August 05, 2008, 08:32:27 PM

Screw it, I'm going with Super Mario Bros.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ChaosVortex on 6 August 2008, 02:49:06
Listening to John dying in SMB1 is hilarious on Skype.

"STUPID BULLET... THING!"
"I HATE LAKITU!!"


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: NovaMan XP on 6 August 2008, 03:29:03
For whatever reason, I always seem to get a Game Over on World 8-4. I think I actually beat the game only once.

#####ing Hammer Bros. and hammer throwing Bowser.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 6 August 2008, 03:46:21
I did play through on the Coin Bird modification of SMB1 and got to like the second or third last world and then lost my last life. Was really annoying because I don't remember ever finishing the game even though I probably did, plus I wanted to see what the Coin Bird version's Peach would look like.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Abominator on 6 August 2008, 03:59:51
If you can keep a power up for 8-4 you can just run right through Bowser, shrinking if hit, rather than use any skill against him...

Cheap, but effective.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 7 August 2008, 22:10:52
As a kid I always died somewhere at World 8, but the last 3 times I played it, I beat it in one sitting. I usually try to do what Abe just mentioned.

As for The Lost Levels... ugh. I'm still at World 6. Still trying. Haven't played in about a week, but I'll definitely finish it.

John, you should get The Lost Levels. Whatever, I mean Super Mario Bros 2 JAPANNNN. Whatever the cool kids are calling it. I call it Lost Levels because I had All-Stars on SNES.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 7 August 2008, 23:20:48
The "cool" kids aren't calling it. They all died from underage drinking and driving. Is that cool?
This post brought to you by MADD.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 7 August 2008, 23:23:18
I prefer M.A.C.

(http://www.sfangels.com/images/South%20Park-%20Mothers%20Against%20Canada%20TShirts.jpg)


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 8 August 2008, 00:13:44
Back off, pal!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 8 August 2008, 00:19:54
I'm not your pal, buddy!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: preventerWIND on 8 August 2008, 00:20:57
He's not your buddy, GUY!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 8 August 2008, 00:25:04
ASR ain't your guy, friend!


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 8 August 2008, 00:25:11
...This sounds familiar.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 8 August 2008, 00:25:57
Thanks for letting us out of that cycle.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 8 August 2008, 00:27:55
Yes? <_<


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: preventerWIND on 8 August 2008, 00:30:50
.. You're nobody's friend.

I'm not joking, we hate you.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 8 August 2008, 00:58:18
...This sounds familiar.

Your clue is at the top of the page.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 8 August 2008, 01:04:38
I've never seen the whole movie.

But you guys done this before. I swear.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: ASR on 8 August 2008, 01:06:31
It isn't from the movie, so nevermind. But yeah, we have done it before, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Best Virtual Console Game
Post by: Mikero on 8 August 2008, 01:07:24
Yeah in an episode Canada goes on strike, Vinch. Not the same kind of thing as the blame Canada deal from the movie but I can see where one would get confused.