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Title: Best metroid game Post by: yuri on 1 January 2008, 22:31:08 Does everyone really think it's that weird that I like Metroid Prime: Hunters as my favorite?
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Xero on 1 January 2008, 22:35:31 Yes. *Baps you*
You are to like either Metroid or Super Metroid! Personally I love the Prime games but saying that would ensure Rez's wrath upon my person. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: KPL on 1 January 2008, 22:50:54 Super wierd. Have you played any NES or SNES Metroid?
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 1 January 2008, 22:51:27 Fusion wasn't too bad. Didn't finish it though.
Prime sucks. I managed to get halfway into Prime 2, but I don't know how. It must have been in the summer and I must have finished all the games I wanted to play. It wouldn't even be as bad if they didn't try to make it a Metroid game. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: yuri on 1 January 2008, 23:15:23 Once when I was like six so I don't remember.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Kamon on 1 January 2008, 23:30:12 Super Metroid, beyond a doubt. Fusion and Zero Mission were good too, so were Metroid and Metroid II.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Abominator on 2 January 2008, 00:09:05 Super's good, but I stink at all Metroid games so I can't fully appreciate them.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 00:46:20 Fusion was the only one I could get anywhere in... I should finish it, I really liked it.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 2 January 2008, 01:25:59 Super Metroid
/thread Super Metroid is the penicle of the series. Zero Mission is a close second and excelent remake of the first Metroid with my ONLY grip in it being the fact they STILL (like they did in Fusion) show you where to go. That has no place in the game. Fusion wasn't awful, but it was far too mission based and you were told exactly where to go 95% of the time. Not very Metroidy in method if not gameplay. I can't play the NES Metroid. I tried but it's missing too many basic features that Super introduced. Metroid 2 is pretty sweet, but suffers from many of same things NES Metroid does. Metroid Prime is a shooter skinned with Metroid themed things. It had no place in any serious discussion about Metroid apart from how it's all but killed any chance of the series getting a new game that's not a FPS. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 01:35:43 Maybe I should try Super Metroid, as NES Metroid turned me off.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: preventerWIND on 2 January 2008, 01:38:09 Fusion was easy compared to Super, one or two exceptions, like when running into the SA-X.. freakin' creepy.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 01:45:43 SA-X is purposefully near unbeatable, but I know what you mean.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: preventerWIND on 2 January 2008, 01:48:38 It's beatable alright, or are you talking about when you have to sneak by it or engage it? 'Cause you'd always end up dead.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 02:10:26 I said near unbeatable. Near.
Either way I'm talking about early stages of the game, where you're best to avoid it completely. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: yuri on 2 January 2008, 03:06:41 Super Metroid I loved all the prime games. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 2 January 2008, 03:07:03 My condolences.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: yuri on 2 January 2008, 03:08:31 What does that mean?
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 2 January 2008, 03:14:53 ...
:: shakes head sadly :: Oh my. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: yuri on 2 January 2008, 03:18:08 What I'm only 14.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Slugkid on 2 January 2008, 03:22:07 Condolece has nothing to do with condom.
Geez. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: preventerWIND on 2 January 2008, 03:28:40 What I'm only 14.That's no excuse to not know #####. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Slugkid on 2 January 2008, 03:32:18 llololololololol i b 12 i has spnis fir lan spansh i kno lololololol i no da wor!!1
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: preventerWIND on 2 January 2008, 03:34:57 See? Even the Spanish Slug knows.
Heh. Spanish Slug. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Johncarllos on 2 January 2008, 04:00:10 Super's good, but I stink at all Metroid games so I can't fully appreciate them. I know exactly how Abe feels. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 04:20:27 Heh. Spanish Slug. When Slugkid becomes a Slugman he should change his name to that. It's better. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 2 January 2008, 04:23:21 Super Metroid This man speaks the truth. Any other Metroid game that comes into 2nd place would have to be a 2D platformer. Everything Prime is terrible. Court is adjourned. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 04:24:19 You're the lawyer not the judge! (But it is adjourned, yes.)
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 2 January 2008, 04:25:46 That didn't stop von Karma.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 04:26:47 You're not a von Karma. Your hair is so not the right colour.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 2 January 2008, 04:33:29 Objection overruled.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 04:41:10 Uh euh... HOLD IT!
You're face is a toilet, and I can prove it! Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 2 January 2008, 04:46:17 Enough! This has no baring on the case. Be quiet or you will be held in contempt of court.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 04:51:38 ::gyuuuuuuush::
(life/case/whatever bar going down) Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: preventerWIND on 2 January 2008, 04:52:04 Uh euh... HOLD IT!Sorry Mikey, but your evidence collapses with this evidence product. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 2 January 2008, 04:53:01 You're too late to play, preventerWIND!
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: preventerWIND on 2 January 2008, 04:56:24 You're too late to play, preventerWIND!OH SNAP!!! I do not hear such a truth...!? : ( Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Teelio on 3 January 2008, 00:26:33 You guys need to stop lying to yourselves.
Prime 1-3 (especially the first) were damn good games. Despite the fact that it turned the side-scrolling 2D Samus we know and love into a more round, shiny Since it's coming down to my opinion, I'd still have to say Metroid IV: Fusion was a unique game. Still had the feel of Super Metroid, but more suspenseful. I still haven't beat it 100%. Some of the items are bitches to find. Second place comes Super Metroid. Then Prime 1-2. Then NES Metroid. Then everything else. Booyah. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 00:41:22 That does it, this xmas I'm buying you some GOOD TASTE.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Xero on 3 January 2008, 00:42:56 The Prime games are excellent games. But they are not how Metroid games should be played.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: yuri on 3 January 2008, 01:45:34 Everyone I know hates them because they think metroid should'nt be a first person shooter. Though my brother and I love all of them.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Teelio on 3 January 2008, 01:52:17 That does it, this xmas I'm buying you some GOOD TASTE. You got three hundred and somethin' days to save up. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 02:39:08 Prime games are OK as games. I got bored of Echoes before half way through even though I played farther. That's the kind of game that feels like it needs more than 2 characters. But that's not how Metroid games go, and as Metroid games Prime fails hard.
It's like a generic 1-player FPS with a downloaded Metroid mod applied to it. It looks the part but it just isn't. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Cherry on 3 January 2008, 03:52:41 Super Metroid. I loved the level of exploration and needing to choose between getting all the items or trying to beat your fastest clear time.
And, I almost never figured out how to get into the rest of the underwater area. Then, when I was bored one day, I just started setting bombs everywhere, and I accidentally switched to Super Bomb somehow... and you guys should know the rest. Anyway, for some odd reason, that made me LOVE the game. Or, made me realize I did. Whichever one turns out to be true. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 03:55:55 I almost thought you said that made you make love to the game.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Edgecrusher on 3 January 2008, 03:59:25 While I'm of the Super Metroid/Zero Mission camp, I (as always) have to stick up for the Prime series.
Everyone says that they don't play like a Metroid game, and I argue that it all depends on what you quantify as a "Metroid" game. Those out there who dislike Prime tend to put emphasis on the lack of platforming, claiming that it was the series main staple. If that's what makes a game Metroid for you, that's fair enough. I, however, have always viewed Metroid games as being more about isolation, adventure, exploring, uncovering new parts of old areas with newly acquired power ups, and atmosphere. As far as I'm concerned, Prime has each and every one of those. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Cherry on 3 January 2008, 04:03:26 HA! I'm glad I was drinking water instead of soda. Pretty funny misread.
EDIT: Damnit, Edge... well, guess I'll contribute a little more. Yeah, I don't see why people hate Prime so much, just a different style of gameplay. I don't like Prime as much as I like Super, but that's just my personal preference. At least it's not as bad a failure to its franchise as MMZ is to Megaman. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 04:11:39 While I'm of the Super Metroid/Zero Mission camp, I (as always) have to stick up for the Prime series. For me it's not necessarily the platforming or anything. I can't really explain, but it's just missing a feeling. Something's not Metroidy to me, which is why I say it feels like another game with a downloaded Metroid mod. Where Mario 64 feels like a 3D Mario game, Prime doesn't feel like a 3D Metroid game. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ASR on 3 January 2008, 04:19:12 Super Metroid was a major part of my childhood, and allowed me to be the one who told everyone Samus was a girl when SSB64 came out. Most of my friends didn't know about Metroid at that time.
I also really enjoyed Zero Mission. I remember playing through Fusion but I Just don't remember it enough to treasure it. I also loved the first Prime game, and Corruption was such an amazing Wii experience that I don't care whether or not it's a good METROID game, it's just a good game in general. Never played Echoes. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Xzeemo on 3 January 2008, 04:21:58 The only Metroid games I had the privelege to play were only the ones for the GBA. I have Hunters as well, but I'm curious about the others.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 3 January 2008, 04:23:44 I played the first Prime.
Beat level one. ... shortly afterwards, I put the game down. I detest Prime, so I wouldn't call it a good game even if it's popular. Hell, I'm not afraid to find a group of Halo fanboys and yell "HALO 3 SUCKS!" ... 'cause it does. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 3 January 2008, 04:38:54 Pfft. I have to agree on Edge on everything he says.
And when I say this, I KNOW I'm not the only one who agrees, but Prime 1 was pretty much a 3D Super Metroid with some key differences. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 04:55:59 Prime 1 was pretty much a 3D Super Metroid Uh... no? Like Mikero said, it's a FPS with a Metroid skin. It plays and feels nothing like Metroid. Take the original Doom and slap a Metroid patch on it and you have Metroid Prime. I've said it once and I'll say it again but any 3D Metroid would be modeled something like Mega Man Legends/Tomb Raider. Nintendo proved they can do 3D platforming in Mario 64. Imagine Samus exploring ruins and tunnels with the same solid 3D care. You won't of course, because the FPS drones have bought enough of Prime to legitimize it as "A True 3D Metroid", thus signaling the death knoll for the series. with some key differences. Like not being Metroid in any way shape or form other than being called "Metroid"? Other than that it's EXACTLY like Super. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 3 January 2008, 05:01:08 I've already argued on this with you in the past. I'm not going to bother again. However, most Metroid fans I've spoken to who have started with Metroid on the NES or with Super Metroid are the ones that agree with me.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 05:10:43 My experience shows that people don't like it or if they do they conceede it's pretty much a FPS and not a Metroid game. Very few in the camp of "It's Metroid in 3D".
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Edgecrusher on 3 January 2008, 05:17:52 I'd like to think I'm as far from an FPS drone as they come (Prime being the only one I really play), but really, you can't honestly say Metroid Prime is NOTHING like a Metroid game outside of ascetics.
Every Metroid game I've played has involved landing on an alien planet that's crawling with all sorts of indigenous creatures that inhabited their respective 'zones', exploring derelict ruins in what limited areas I had access to, collecting power-ups, returning to previously explored areas with said power-ups to find that they open new areas of the labyrinthine temples and alien landscapes, a few boss battles, and then quickly hauling my ass out of there before the planet/base explodes. Even the platforming is still there, it's just not as obvious due to the point of view. I guess I don't see what's missing. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 05:21:38 I can't imagine anyone going directly from Super Metroid to Metroid Prime and saying it feels like the same universe. It might look Metroidy (I don't really think it does either) but that's not all of it.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Edgecrusher on 3 January 2008, 05:27:56 That's just it. Outside of the change to in game physics and point of view, I thought it DID feel like the same game, for all aforementioned reasons.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 3 January 2008, 05:30:05 I can't imagine anyone going directly from Super Metroid to Metroid Prime and saying it feels like the same universe. It might look Metroidy (I don't really think it does either) but that's not all of it. That's only because that's how you feel about Metroid Prime. I have played and beat Super Metroid before I played Prime (in fact, I didn't want to try Prime because I thought it was just another FPS). When I did give it a try it turned out to be a pretty good Metroid game. And that's how I feel about Metriod Prime. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 05:34:37 That's just it. Outside of the change to in game physics and point of view, I thought it DID feel like the same game, for all aforementioned reasons. Stop doing meth and accept Jesus as your savior and you'll be free. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 05:35:08 I'd played Metroid games before I played any Prime games, if that's what you're insinuating, Rocky. It's not like I went from Prime to other Metroid games. I'm sure if someone went backwards like that they'd think it's all fine and the same.
That's only because that's how you feel about Metroid Prime. Well what else would I say? That's what an opinion is. I really can't fathom why you get the same feeling from both games and you can't fathom why I don't. That's the point of discussion. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 3 January 2008, 05:42:26 I'd played Metroid games before I played any Prime games, if that's what you're insinuating, Rocky. I wasn't trying to insinuate anything... I was just stating how I felt about the series. At least you're not being elite about it, like this certain red priest I kn- *Nibbles'd* Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 05:51:42 At least you're not being elite about it, like this certain red priest I kn- You misspelled "right". Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 3 January 2008, 05:52:33 You obviously don't force opinions down other people's throats and claim them as facts.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ASR on 3 January 2008, 05:52:43 Cheeky barstool.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 05:53:19 You obviously don't force opinions down other people's throats and claim them as facts. Or DO I? Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ASR on 3 January 2008, 05:55:02 Hint: yes.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 14:27:36 Hint: Nibbles is hungry
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ASR on 3 January 2008, 14:44:15 So is Ethiopia. Quit whining.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 16:09:32 Don't think Sano will keep Nibbles sated for long my boy...
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: preventerWIND on 3 January 2008, 16:27:25 I know a great site with a horde of entertaining n00bs that would be great fun, and Nibbles will be bloated for a long time. We could call them over maybe?
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: White Shadow on 3 January 2008, 16:48:34 Super Metroid was the best. Don't make me lock this.
Damn game-breaking next-generation punks. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 3 January 2008, 19:10:30 Don't think Sano will keep Nibbles sated for long my boy... Why am I being singled out? ...Again? Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Edgecrusher on 3 January 2008, 19:31:42 And still, no one has given me a coupable lacking element.
All I ever get is "it just doesn't" Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 19:31:46 Damn game-breaking next-generation punks. + 10 Wily Funbux Don't think Sano will keep Nibbles sated for long my boy... Because you taste good. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 3 January 2008, 20:52:16 Super Metroid was the best. Don't make me lock this. Lock it because someone has a different opinion? Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Captain Sanoguchi on 3 January 2008, 20:54:17 Sounds reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 3 January 2008, 20:55:10 That's because you reek like a toilet.
And not the kind when the water is blue, I mean the public gas station kind. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Majikn on 3 January 2008, 21:02:56 I don't think blue water is very clean either, or at least untainted.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Kamon on 3 January 2008, 21:09:58 Yeah, but it usually smells good/better.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 22:59:03 Blue toilet water is clean, because it's the cleaner making it blue...
... Because he's blue. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Majikn on 3 January 2008, 23:00:35 I was more referring to it being called water. Water being "blue" is a common misconception and that blue liquid in the toilet isn't water.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 23:03:33 It's mostly water and some cleaner. The puck in the reservoir dissolves slowly into the water over time, which is why the water appears blue after many flushes.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Majikn on 3 January 2008, 23:06:36 THE MORE YOU KNOW
That still makes it more of a solution than water. I guess it's not a big deal, though. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 23:09:51 Well yes, it's a solution. It's about as much water as kool-aid is, really. But of course the taste is another story.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Teelio on 3 January 2008, 23:19:27 Prime is a good series. Enough said.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 3 January 2008, 23:33:17 Optimus had his own series? KICK ASS!
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 3 January 2008, 23:35:20 Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Teelio on 3 January 2008, 23:56:27 Enough said. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Voulnet on 4 January 2008, 00:11:06 Honey, that's not the correct answer to Mikero's question.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 00:39:48 "It just isn't" isn't the corrent answer why Metroid Prime isn't a Metroid game.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 4 January 2008, 01:24:53 Neither is "It just is".
I have a hard time figuring out the main reason it feels different for me. It might've felt better to me in 3rd person but I can't imagine it. Seems it all comes down to feeling. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 4 January 2008, 01:27:12 I detest FPS so that's probably true, although I'll give each one a fair try. There will be some games like Call of Duty that will actually have a spark of decency in them.
Others like Halo will just make me leave the room. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 4 January 2008, 01:31:09 I definitely gave Prime a fair shake. No dice.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 4 January 2008, 02:30:54 Zelda: ALttP.
Super Metroid. Both games I've played before, and I know are the best among their group. And I'm now a proud owner of them both, thanks to the Virtual Console. EDIT: I have no idea why Sonic1 is in the Puzzle Section, and why GnG is in the RPG section. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 4 January 2008, 03:20:13 Zelda: ALttP. I own them both thanks to the SNES :D Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ASR on 4 January 2008, 04:06:47 Congratulations, you old fart.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 4 January 2008, 04:15:53 Oh my God, the GCN controller sucks. I can't stand playing this with a joystick.
I needs a classic controller. D: Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 4 January 2008, 04:41:24 This is one of the biggest/first DUH moments of 2008.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 04:41:59 I too have a SNES with both aLttP and SM.
And I have many gems for it too... though, I actually downloaded some for my VC. >_>;; Neither is "It just is". Well, technically, it is. Even if it doesn't feel like it to you or even to the majority of its gamers say it isn't Metroid, you can't do anything about it because Nintendo says its Metroid. Just like how no matter how much we hate it, BN4 is STILL a MMBN game. But, even though I've said this in pretty much all of my posts in this topic, the Metroid Prime series are good Metroid games... And I KNOW I'm not the only one who agrees. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 4 January 2008, 04:48:46 A lot of people agree that marrying cousins is fine. That Alanis Morissette understands the definition of irony. That cucumbers taste worse pickled.
They're all wrong too. ;-) But the issue isn't wether or not the game is called Metroid. It's wether it plays like Metroid. Just because Nintendo says "This is a Metroid game", that doesn't mean the discussion is just done. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: ChaosVortex on 4 January 2008, 04:50:14 This is one of the biggest/first DUH moments of 2008. Exactly. I knew it but I said it anyway. I was pissed off at the moment. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 04:51:40 A lot of people agree that marrying cousins is fine. That Alanis Morissette understands the definition of irony. That cucumbers taste worse pickled. Thats why I said technically. And again with the, "it just isn't," eh? You only gave Prime 2 a try, right? Prime 1 is a LOT better and more fun. Prime 2 is considered the worst of the series. If you try out the first one it might feel a little more like a Metroid game. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 4 January 2008, 05:10:48 I didn't say "it just isn't" in that post, I said the argument "It is Metroid because Nintendo says so" is a totally moot point since we're not really talking about that. I'm just not bothering to repeat myself as to why I think it isn't. I also tried Prime Hunters, but not much. And I've checked out that whole demo thing of Prime 3, which I thought looked fun but the video of the battle with the Space Pirates where there's a ship overhead or something and you're on some round platform looked very non Metroidy but I'd have to play it to know.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 05:47:31 While Prime 3 DOES feel a lot less like a Metroid game like Prime 1 and 2, it's still a fun game. Prime 1 is still better though.
Prime Hunters... not a Metroid game. Nintendo made that game SPECIFICALLY to be an online FPS. I find it fun on its own though. And yeah, I misread your post there, sorry. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Edgecrusher on 4 January 2008, 06:58:52 I've listed all sorts of reasons as to why it's a good Metroid title, so at least the "it just is" group can come up with a solid list. I'm curious why it DOESN'T play like a Metroid game, outside of "It's an FPS". As far as I'm concerned, all that changed is the perspective you're presented with. Sure, you didn't see through Samus's eyes before, but even now that you are, she's doing the exact same ##### she's always done.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 08:42:48 Again, I agree. You're still running around on a planet (or planets, in Hunter's and Corruption's cases), collecting items to enter new areas, killing monsters and bosses with a power beam, and escaping the planet before it explodes.
One thing that the Prime games improve on, IMO, is the atmosphere. Playing MP in the dark through the eyes of Samus feels a lot more realistic than in a third person perspective, Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: White Shadow on 4 January 2008, 12:03:59 By simple limitations of the first-person view for instance, looking for hidden secrets stopped being the same. Maybe it was even 3D in general, that killed it, because things like a proper bomb-jump are way too tricky to be enjoyable. And another nice bit about Super Metroid was getting to places -without- having the required item, usually a jump-boost.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Kamon on 4 January 2008, 14:30:07 The Prime games were less focused on exploration, unlike the 2D games. Most of the Energy Tanks etc were out in the open or required very little searching. Prime was a lot more combat-focused, which does take away from the overall Metroid feel IMO.
While I did enjoy the Prime games, they just don't measure up to the 2D ones. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 4 January 2008, 15:54:28 By simple limitations of the first-person view for instance That. First person limits what can be done simply by the perspective. And it's far more than just "changing the perspective". Like it or not the platforming IS a big part of Metroid since 90% of the extra ##### Samus picks up directly allows her to access more areas by being able to DO more platforming. Any FPS that ISN'T Wolfenstein for the Tandy has some element of level design that isn't just BOOM BOOM RELOAD BOOM BOOM. Prime, quite frankly is NO different. It's primary focus is on combat in a first person perspective and guess what we call that? Nintend: "It's a first person ADVENTURE!!!" No. No it's not. Myst is a First person adventure. Shadowgate is a first person adventure. Metroid Prime is a first person shooter. Metroid is an action adventure game. Not a shooter. And how anyone who plays Metroid Prime can call it anything more than a typical FPS with a few extra bits of back tracking and Metroid theme, let alone Metroid done right in 3D completely baffels me. Bottom line, the "Prime isn't Metroid" camp dosn't just bleat out "dur dur dur it's just not". Our arguments are just as detailed as the misguided brain slug victims who delusionally believe Metroid Prime bears any resemblacne to Metroid outside a name. Is Prime a good FPS? I guess so based on what people say. Hooray! Is it a good METROID game? ##### no. And that's ok. Just don't expect those of us who hate FPS to believe it is. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: White Shadow on 4 January 2008, 17:20:48 I enjoy a good FPS now and then, but FPSs shouldn't mix with platformers. Because it doesn't work. You can't even see your feet for crying out loud, how are you supposed to do proper jumps like that?
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Voulnet on 4 January 2008, 19:28:17 Worst nightmare for Rez: Capcom making MM9 a first person shooter.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 4 January 2008, 20:15:51 And another nice bit about Super Metroid was getting to places -without- having the required item, usually a jump-boost. You can actually do that in Metroid Prime... I know I got 100% of items in five hours doing this. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Edgecrusher on 4 January 2008, 21:03:51 You can't honestly say that it's missing the platforming aspect. There were actually a hand full of times where the platforming (see climbing up any of those tall corridors) became tedious. I will give you that, with the exception of the grapple beam, high jump boots, gravity suit, spider ball, and screw attack, none of the new power ups really expand your platforming abilities.
But wait... that's always been the case. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 4 January 2008, 22:22:57 You can't honestly say that it's missing the platforming aspect. Pretty sure I did, yep. There were actually a hand full of times where the platforming (see climbing up any of those tall corridors) became tedious. Because the tacked on "platform" elements don't belong in a FPS because they just don't work in the genre/perspective. And yes, Prime is a FPS through and through. I will give you that, with the exception of the grapple beam, high jump boots, gravity suit, spider ball, and screw attack, none of the new power ups really expand your platforming abilities. Most of the powerups let you get to new places = platforming. Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 5 January 2008, 04:53:31 I don't know about you, but I felt a lot of platforming in the Prime games (especially 2).
Contray to what you think, Rez, platforming CAN be done in 3D. And Metroid Prime does it well (though sometimes overdoes it, like Edge said). Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Mikero on 5 January 2008, 09:38:14 I felt the semblance of platforming but I didn't really feel platforming. It felt forced. Because it didn't feel like platforming really and it felt like they just put it in so they could say it was platforming.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Edgecrusher on 5 January 2008, 11:06:28 Apparently I just don't have the tenacity to differentiate between jumping between platforms and jumping between platforms.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: TheRedPriest on 5 January 2008, 16:27:34 I still <3 you though.
Title: Re: Best metroid game Post by: Vinchenz Rock on 6 January 2008, 02:49:18 I felt the semblance of platforming but I didn't really feel platforming. It felt forced. Because it didn't feel like platforming really and it felt like they just put it in so they could say it was platforming. Well, the second game has a lot of forced platforming in it, IMO, especially with the dark world and light world crap. The first and third games are a unison of exploring and platforming (I can think of times when it's still forced, though). |