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Title: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 3 December 2007, 08:59:05 I know at least Rez has to have this "Gem" of sorts, and I'm curious about any kind of highlights it listed off in it's pages. I already know of the great controversy of how Light created the Maverick Virus due to the special chip design he used, which constantly made Reploids think until they went insane, or something of the sorts.
So yeah, any other great highlights or things that got contradicted in this book? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Johncarllos on 3 December 2007, 14:01:03 I hate everything it says.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 3 December 2007, 14:15:55 Given I'm too cheap to buy it online, and nobody sells it locally around these here parts, mind stating some of the things in it you hate, for the poor folk like me to soak in? >_>;
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Kamon on 3 December 2007, 14:17:53 I already know of the great controversy of how Light created the Maverick Virus due to the special chip design he used, which constantly made Reploids think until they went insane, or something of the sorts. PLease tell me you're joking. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 3 December 2007, 14:23:34 Nope. This book turned everything we as fans knew, and turned it inside out and THEN upside down, hence I'm trying to pump for information.
The deal of Light making the Virus was big news that sent alot of fans into an uproar when it was released in Japan, and a bit of googling will show results from other sites in the fandom discussing it, most notably was Heatman and AF, since he and Fireman were doing translations of it for the fans at the time of release. The only other bit I recall this early/late is that CoJ's version stated that Command Mission was canon due to the fact that the Zero Series never really stated it was in 22XX, while the CoA version states outright that Command Mission didn't actually happen, despite the fact that it was one of the better selling games in the series and got a good deal of praise thanks to the voice acting in it. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Kamon on 3 December 2007, 14:28:52 Suddenly I'm afraid for Legends 3...
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Johncarllos on 3 December 2007, 14:46:34 I HATED Command Mission.
I hate Random Battles. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Dr. on 3 December 2007, 19:29:40 You hate god.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 4 December 2007, 05:33:54 I hate everything it says. I like the cut of your jib son. And yes, everything it says is trash and tripe. The Mega Man equilivant of saying the Holocost never happened. Yes, I went there. Yes, it's that bad. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 4 December 2007, 06:01:53 Wow, so it really IS as bad as I heard.
Is it even worth ANY of my money? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 4 December 2007, 06:16:31 Do you like the MMZ plot? Do you like MMZ? Do you dislike the X series before X5? Then you'll probably love the MMZ Complete Works.
If, however, you're a sane Mega Man fan who liked X before X5 and hate MMZ and the raping it did to the X series and it's spin off (ZX) and the fact it tries to tie Legends into the timeline, you'll probably hate it. When I offer MY opinion on ANYTHING MMZ related, you should know I won't be good. Your milage may vary. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Edgecrusher on 4 December 2007, 16:50:44 When I offer MY opinion on ANYTHING [...] it won't be good. Your milage may vary. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 4 December 2007, 17:32:56 I gave a glowing review of Command Mission. And Phoenix Wright is made of more win than anything else Capcom is currently doing.
I GUESS I JUST DISPROVED YOUR LITTLE QUOTE EDIT HUH MISTER? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Edgecrusher on 4 December 2007, 18:29:54 A few aberrant instances don't change the fact that my quote is true more often than not.
Not that I think that's a bad thing, nor do I pretend I'm not the same way. Though... it DOES mean that I always read through your posts as opposed to skipping them (as I'm prone to do) Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 4 December 2007, 18:53:06 Everyone should always read my posts as opposed to skimming them.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Edgecrusher on 4 December 2007, 20:21:38 Exactly. There's actual content there. That's my point.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 4 December 2007, 20:33:59 Rez's post always make me laugh.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: ASR on 5 December 2007, 04:13:42 He's so angry.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Chron on 5 December 2007, 04:15:05 It's the steroids.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: ASR on 5 December 2007, 04:32:06 They shouldn't make you that angry.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Chron on 5 December 2007, 04:34:40 It's also his time of the month.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 5 December 2007, 05:25:03 Old people are always angry.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: ChaosVortex on 5 December 2007, 17:39:49 Or tired as #####.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xearez on 8 December 2007, 21:18:43 you are so right.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 8 December 2007, 21:21:58 "Dead Man Walkin" wasn't just an old term for Death Row, folks.
Even works for ZERO too, LOLOOOLOLOL Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 9 December 2007, 15:14:29 I see. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 9 December 2007, 15:57:37 Um... Unless they meant one of the new X or Classic Books that were mentioned that aren't even in Japan currently, they heard wrong. Very, very wrong. (http://www.amazon.com/Megaman-Zero-Official-Complete-Works/dp/1897376014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197215760&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Chron on 9 December 2007, 16:02:36 In formal logic, we call that a "Proof by Bitch-slap".
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Rep on 10 December 2007, 02:16:15 Um... Unless they meant one of the new X or Classic Books that were mentioned that aren't even in Japan currently, they heard wrong. Very, very wrong. (http://www.amazon.com/Megaman-Zero-Official-Complete-Works/dp/1897376014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197215760&sr=8-1)Amazon have been kept out of the loop, simple as that. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Aresian on 10 December 2007, 05:40:10 Um... Unless they meant one of the new X or Classic Books that were mentioned that aren't even in Japan currently, they heard wrong. Very, very wrong. (http://www.amazon.com/Megaman-Zero-Official-Complete-Works/dp/1897376014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197215760&sr=8-1)Amazon have been kept out of the loop, simple as that. Uh oh. I'd just stop if I was you. *laughs and waits for SB* Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Rep on 10 December 2007, 10:04:31 Oh, I don't believe I'm going to win. I'mma gonna try anyway.Um... Unless they meant one of the new X or Classic Books that were mentioned that aren't even in Japan currently, they heard wrong. Very, very wrong. (http://www.amazon.com/Megaman-Zero-Official-Complete-Works/dp/1897376014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197215760&sr=8-1)Amazon have been kept out of the loop, simple as that. http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/70/dscn2048hc9.jpg (http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/70/dscn2048hc9.jpg) Oh, and relying on Amazon is like relying on Wikipedia: some of the things you see might not be true. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Aresian on 10 December 2007, 10:36:56 Oh, I don't believe I'm going to win. I'mma gonna try anyway.Um... Unless they meant one of the new X or Classic Books that were mentioned that aren't even in Japan currently, they heard wrong. Very, very wrong. (http://www.amazon.com/Megaman-Zero-Official-Complete-Works/dp/1897376014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197215760&sr=8-1)Amazon have been kept out of the loop, simple as that. That could probably be the best attitude to have though. Atleast you won't give up. G'd luck. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 13:20:39 The deal of Light making the Virus was big news that sent alot of fans into an uproar when it was released in Japan, and a bit of googling will show results from other sites in the fandom discussing it, most notably was Heatman and AF, since he and Fireman were doing translations of it for the fans at the time of release. Problem's more that fake news tend to spread like a wildfire. The whole deal of "Right making the virus" is wrong. An early translation by Fireman that holds no value anymore. He's indirectly responsible, because he built that Suffering Circuit that X possesses, of which Cain made copies that don't work as well as in X, hence Repliroids starting to go Irregular when they're thrown into situations in which they have to determine what side to stand on. The only other bit I recall this early/late is that CoJ's version stated that Command Mission was canon due to the fact that the Zero Series never really stated it was in 22XX, while the CoA version states outright that Command Mission didn't actually happen To specify a little more, Compendium of Rockman X says Command Mission is a sidestory unrelated to the regular plot. There's a thread about this on TMMN. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 10 December 2007, 14:00:57 @ The poster formerly known as Reploid 20Xx
First off, comparing the largest online book reseller in the entire world to Wiki as far as the information they upload makes it where I can't really take you serious, so congratulations on making things probably more relax/lack of care. They go by the company/seller's information, so any information related to said product is the company's side of things, not Amazon, since they wouldn't care one bit about a silly children's video game book that details bits here and there. Though I did snooth about here and there, and there's many a place that state it's already been released in the US, most places stated in October, and one odd place stated it was slated to be released on Halloween, and won't ship until the 2nd Quarter 2008, which is the start of Summer and whatnot, so no clue there. Then again, since Rez and Delta as well as a few other folk say they have it, hence I bothered to make the topic to begin with, I can't really argue with what such great men state as official fire wood suppliments, not when they actually own such forbidden tomes. @ Ben You have NO clue how hard I'm laughing on the inside at Fireman over this. It explains why he suddenly, "Left the community" after word of this got out, now. Now as far as the virus bit, I already knew about the chip issue, but it's the entire idea that Light himself is responsible for the Maverick Wars and such, when he was the biggest advocate for peace and prosperity in the entire franchise, next to Ciel, since ya know... She one upped the good doctor at every single turn in that department. As far as Command Mission, I've heard conflicting reports. If it's just a random side assignment the Hunters had, then great, awesome. Meant they did more than stop Sigma all the time, and gave more insight into how real procedures and such went. If it got wrote out of the canon due to being in 22XX, then I give up, since it's just too present that Capcom can't deliever any kind of enjoyment of the story kind, which makes the lack of BoF titles less painful. TMMN can keep their little discussions, as well, given fanpinions to me became null over the ZCW, due to that whole Virus Incident bittage that Fireman had to start to gain attention over to feel self important. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 14:09:53 If it got wrote out of the canon due to being in 22XX, then I give up, since it's just too present that Capcom can't deliever any kind of enjoyment of the story kind, which makes the lack of BoF titles less painful. We'll (hopefully) know for sure in March next year, when Capcom will release the Rockman and Rockman X Official Complete Works sourcebook(s). Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 10 December 2007, 14:15:03 Given they seriously tossed in the American MM1 box art in ZXA as a reference to Original Megaman, as well as had one of the Bandai RM's from the WSC Rockman & Forte game in ZXA as well, I's bettin nobody gonna like what they read.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 14:19:55 Of course no one will like it. Over the years, CAPCOM has screwed up the Rockman storyline so much that no one was understanding what was going on anymore. When they finally released the Rockman ZERO OCW, everything was hoping that they would finally set some things straight. But we all know this was not the case and RZOCW actually brought about even more confusion than it was hoped to lift.
I'm having mixed feelings regarding a OCW about Rockman X, I just hope it won't toss all the things we thought that were set in stone into the bin like the ZERO one did with some things. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 10 December 2007, 14:23:16 If IHX for PSP and it's cancel deal is any indication, then no, nobody's going to like how they'll likely rewrite the entire storyline and motives.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 10 December 2007, 15:34:31 If IHX for PSP and it's cancel deal is any indication, then no, nobody's going to like how they'll likely rewrite the entire storyline and motives. Capcom will! Classic - all good (even though MM8's "evil energy" is goofey even for classic). X canon stops at X4. X5 and up, MMZ, ZX - Alternate dimension GO NUTS! Legends, different universe, ignore poor attempts by MMZ, ZX to tie lead weights to Legend's feet to drown it in fetid timeline. Battle Network, Starforce - different universe (for now BWA HA HA oh Capcom) no one cares GO NUTS! That's how any sane person should view it. You don't retcon the original/old stuff that works to make new stuff that DOESN'T work all line up. Simple as that. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Aresian on 10 December 2007, 21:12:20 Dr. Light made the maverick virus.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 10 December 2007, 21:15:16 If IHX for PSP and it's cancel deal is any indication, then no, nobody's going to like how they'll likely rewrite the entire storyline and motives. If only that was the case... Though I STILL want to know what Inafune was smoking when he had the deal with Zero's "Creator" at the very end of X5, only to skip ahead 100+ years from there as far as intentions were, and have no further mention or notice of that one. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 21:20:35 Dr. Light made the maverick virus. Ignore this man, he doesn't know what he's talking about =P Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Aresian on 10 December 2007, 21:35:09 The Four Generals died in a random explosion, yet they were strong enough to fight toe-to-toe with Zero
[spoiler]The models are fakes and the real reploids are alive somewhere still[/spoiler] Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 10 December 2007, 22:02:10 *Snickers*
Ben? have you read the RMZ sourcebooks yet? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 22:03:42 Ben? have you read the RMZ sourcebooks yet? Zan Sidera? Fireman? marshmallow man? They provide me with the stuff I need regarding that. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 10 December 2007, 22:08:27 Well Ares is technically right.
Apparently for some reason that Capcom likes to ##### with us. It was Dr.Light who crated the maverick virus. But it actually wasn't his intention. It was actually a suffering circut for X that somehow got transfered to Zero by some bull##### reason then to Sigma. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 22:12:24 Well, in regard of the whole thing, it might be true that Thomas Right is responsible for the eventual outbreak of the Sigma Virus, BUT let us not forget that the man who failed at copying Right's blueprints of X' circuitry: Dr. Cain.
He's the one who found X and didn't quite understand his functioning, YET he tried to replicate it, leading to the creation of Repliroids, which in turn, because of their inferior soft and hardware, were easy victims to program errors, circuit malfunction and viral infection. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 10 December 2007, 22:13:58 Because Dr.Cain is an ass.
"Oh! I have a great idea! Let's use X's design to create reploids that can think and reason on their own and put them to work like slaves since they are robots! I'm sure nothing can go wrong with that!" Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: NovaMan XP on 10 December 2007, 22:18:35 That makes no sense at all.
Why make robots with free will if they're going to be slaves anyway? Eventually it'd be obvious they would be like: "#### humans", and go crazy. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 10 December 2007, 22:19:52 What should have been done was allow the Reploids to choose their own destiny. Just like a human. If laws were equal between the two then none of this maverick bull##### would have happened....this of course not factoring in the virus.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 22:25:24 Most Repliroids seem desire a peaceful coexistence with humans. Racism is no subject in the Rockman universe until ZERO. OCW however notes that in earlier stages, when a Repliroid is drawn into a situation that requires him/her to choose between two sides, it may cause pain that will eventually lead to insanity and therefore becoming an Irregular.
And who says they're slaves? Most work is done by Mechaniroids like Metools and other robots, but not Repliroids. Then again, there is work that can only done by Repliroids. The space development for example required the use of New Generation Repliroids and humans themselves are too weak and vulnerable to effectively fight Irregulars on their own. There might not have been an actual law that grants Repliroids the exact same rights and equality of humans until Rockman ZX, but they're not considered slaves or mere workers. That's what Mechaniroids are for. You want Repliroid slaves? Then you might consider moving to Neo Arcadia. If laws were equal between the two then none of this maverick bull##### would have happened....this of course not factoring in the virus. Huh? There were always Repliroids that were considered Irregulars but neither suffered from Viral Infection, system malfunction or wanted independence from humanity. Take Cedar and Aluce from X7 for example. They're just after money, regular, Repliroid gangsters. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 10 December 2007, 22:30:20 I mean this:
A reploid is built and are given a set task. If they cannot perform that task then they are terminated regardless. Reploids should be able to have no set task and allow them to do what they want. Also instead of terminating a reploid they should go through the same judicial systems humans go through. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 22:36:17 A reploid is built and are given a set task. If they cannot perform that task then they are terminated regardless. This is how Neo Arcadia handles the situation, that's not the general idea. Repliroids are not created solely to do some work humans are to lazy to do themselves. A Repliroid is considered Irregular and handled accordingly if he violates the law, attacks humans etc. Just saying "No, I'm not doing this. Do it yourself." is not really an Irregular statement, except you're Copy-X but he blames Repliroids as Irregulars for such nullities in order to save energy that said Repliroid would consume instead of saving it for the humans Copy-X was made to protect. Reploids should be able to have no set task and allow them to do what they want. That's what's mostly done. Then again, there have been exceptions, like the Repliforce for example. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 10 December 2007, 22:39:25 Well humans should stop being lazy and help out with the work.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 22:46:22 Well humans should stop being lazy and help out with the work. Blame Copy-X. He was made by Ciel with the objective to "protect the citizens of Neo Arcadia from Irregulars". Since Repliroids are potential Irregulars, they're constantly kept in check in order to supress the mildest revolt that might endanger the citizens, which, to him, are the humans. Neo Arcadia is supposed to be an utopia for the survivors of the great wars, the Irregular and the Elf War. Copy-X, who's a perfect physical double of X and believes to be X himself, thinks that he must act accordingly and therefore must protect humans from Irregulars, as they can't fight back themselves. Therefore, the smallest mistake or refusal might indicate Irregularity, hence Repliroids are terminated. Since Copy-X lacks X' experience and maturity, he doesn't handle the situation as X would do it, or rather, he acts accordingly to what he THINKS that X would do, with a priority on humans instead of a peaceful coexistence for both races. The result is obvious. Repliroids in Neo Arcadia lead the lives of an inferior citizen class that are abused by the system and humans as tools. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 10 December 2007, 23:36:57 I'm not talking about the Zero series.
I'm talking about the X series. If you played X4 Sigma pretty much says that "The maverick hunters sole mission is to destroy the reploids who do as the humans order." That pretty much means that if the reploid cannot do as commanded it will be destroyed without question. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 10 December 2007, 23:45:42 :: shakes head ::
Why do you people even BOTHER to discuss this drivel? Cyber elfs? Cyber World? This is one word from some idiot to being connected to Battle Network. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 23:47:39 If you played X4 Sigma pretty much says that "The maverick hunters sole mission is to destroy the reploids who do as the humans order." That's what Sigma said in order to confuse General in regard of the events he [Sigma] had already planned out. Repliforce was deemed Irregular because they declared independence from the humans after being blamed for being responsible for the fall of Sky Lagoon by Eregion. Sigma took advantage of the Repliforce's pride as soldiers. They would never lay down their weapons when told to. Although General openly declared that their independence was neither "about insurrection nor rebellion against their human creators", but about their "liberty and security", taking care of their own individual lives and their own survival, the human goverment thought of them as a very dangerous and heavily armed military organization that had to be taken out. Surely this conflict might have been solved peacefully, but Sigma knew what he was doing. When it was found out later that Sigma was the one who orchestrated all this, the responsible Hunter General resigned from his position and made space for Signas. Why do you people even BOTHER to discuss this drivel? Cyber elfs? Cyber World? This is one word from some idiot to being connected to Battle Network. If you're not interested in this discussion, why are you reading this thread in the first place? You don't like Rockman ZERO? Don't meddle in the threads. Take your hatred elsewhere. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 10 December 2007, 23:50:16 That was a general statement, though relevant to THIS discussion as well. It relates to the anal raping MMZ has done to the X series, so discussing how awful it is, is actually quite relivant. MMZ has a good deal of hate for it. Get used to it.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 10 December 2007, 23:54:48 I thought this thread was supposed to discuss the series and it's story, and not to create some hate triads and say how awful it is etc.
Speaking personally, this is my favorite series aside Rockman X and, although I share some negative aspects regarding RZ with you, I don't think it's THAT bad that it deserves such treatment. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 10 December 2007, 23:58:32 It's probably not. But it's no X series.
And any discussion of the series and/or story (any series really) WILL include negatives and reasons to hate. You don't just sing and dance in the flowers and circle jerk over how good it is. Go to MMN if you want to do that. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 10 December 2007, 23:58:45 ...
*Facepalms* Rez is gonna chew your ass. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Aresian on 11 December 2007, 00:01:22 Well, I think you're finally starting to see the light. MMM is a place of serious debate with many different kinds of thoughts and feelings, clashed together. Not so much as it was back then, but it still contains that flavor.
Ben, if you can stick it through, you will have lots of interesting experiences here. If not... well, you'll get swallowed up by the more dedicated and dare I say, stubborn fans. I'm glad I helped respark the subject with my blantant posts, even if my main goal was to ##### with Rez. I love #####ing with Rez. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 11 December 2007, 00:04:03 It's probably not. But it's no X series. Obviously not. Afterall, this series is about Zero, as the name indicates =P And any discussion of the series and/or story (any series really) WILL include negatives and reasons to hate. You don't just sing and dance in the flowers and circle jerk over how good it is. Got MMN if you want to do that. That may be true, but to some degree, we should try to maintain a neutral attitude towards it. Just throwing around curse words is nothing but spam. As for TMMN, I rarely go there, I already have my hands full with the chaos on RPM, although I don't moderate the forums anymore. ... And this is the tone a mod should talk to a regular member? Oh yes Xero, you're doing a good job... Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 11 December 2007, 00:06:47 I'm just stating the facts.
Rez is like that with everyone so don't let it get to you. And how can we maintain a neutral attitude when we really hate the series. In my opinion the series was done quite horribly. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 11 December 2007, 00:08:08 Sorry Aresian, I don't swing that way.
And yes, the reason Matrix, and it's family were always the best places were because we do debate and do challange people. Being a Mega Man fan DOESN'T mean you sugar coat every game that comes out and beg for more. It means there is a LOT of dissatisfaction and displeasure in the fandom. It's a passionate fandom. And the staff here is very hands on. We don't sit on a pedistle looking down. We get down and dirty and in your face. And we're good enough at what we do that we can do it without "ZOMG ABUSE POWER". I don't have to ban someone to win an argument. If I start some ##### I don't ban someone for finishing it. None of us do. So don't worry about that. AND STOP POSTING SO DAMN FAST... You don't talk about something with a "neutral" attitude and expect to have a good discussion. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 11 December 2007, 00:12:47 Being a Mega Man fan DOESN'T mean you sugar coat every game that comes out and beg for more. It means there is a LOT of dissatisfaction and displeasure in the fandom. It's a passionate fandom. I'm not saying that the ZERO series was so awesome that I'd want to canonize Inafune and Inti Creates for creating it. But as far as I can tell, there's nothing what really would make me state a negative thing about the series either. Those were, to me, solid games with a good story, awesome music and fair difficulty level. And the staff here is very hands on. We don't sit on a pedistle looking down. I quite hope so. AND STOP POSTING SO DAMN FAST... Learn to type faster =P You don't talk about something with a "neutral" attitude and expect to have a good discussion. I'm aware of that, by neutral I meant starting a discussion and focussing solely on flaming the series, but perhaps I didn't word it out good enough. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Aresian on 11 December 2007, 00:16:33 Sorry Aresian, I don't swing that way. Aww. No really though, you don't have to be so formal, Rez. It IS me after all, good ol' Ares/Wild Eagle. ^_- Never the less, yes... that's Matrix's charm. It's why I've praised the place ever so much over the years. The staff are, in essence... like regular members. Why shouldn't they treat everyone as they treat themselves and vice versa? When it isn't a matter of Board and Site Security, regular communication should be the norm. It's what seperates machines from people, they have their own personalities and ways of thinking. Just the same, you should be able to speak openly about your thoughts and feelings aswell, while still maintaining some form of respect. I believe that is the most common sensical way of thinking, honestly. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 11 December 2007, 00:29:32 Well if the Zero Series was done better than perhaps it wouldn't recieve as much hate as it does.
Alot could have been improved to the series. They should have got rid of cyber elves all togheter and allowed the player to collect life ups and stuff like in the X games. As for ranking it should have been done where you could retry the level again and increase your rank for the level thereby increasing your overall rank. None of this one shot deal #####. And the stage design didn't help matters. If you like spikes and dying every 5 minutes. This game is for you. But we prefer a game with a good difficulty that makes the game fun and challenging at the same time. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 11 December 2007, 00:34:07 They should have got rid of cyber elves all togheter and allowed the player to collect life ups and stuff like in the X games. Rockman ZERO was supposed to be different from Rockman X, not just a clone of it, that's why Cyberelves were included. And the stage design didn't help matters. If you like spikes and dying every 5 minutes. That sounds more like ZERO1 than the rest of the series. I never experienced any such frustrating moments while playing the games. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 11 December 2007, 00:37:03 Cyber Elves were still pointless.
First off you have to get them then feed them an insane amount of crystals to actually use them, and you can't even use them since it lowers your rank to F (I'm exaggerating here) forcing you to try the level without them only to die anyway. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 11 December 2007, 01:54:14 Cyber Elfs, in concept and in gameplay, were utter failures. And frankly, there was no reason to make Zero play any different than he did in the X series. That's HOW he played. Failure from the start was forcing a change in gameplay when one was not needed.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Mikero on 16 December 2007, 07:25:53 I never used Cyberelves. Two reasons;
A) They were ridiculously useless. B) I cheated at MMZ, because I couldn't stand to go through them otherwise and because Cyberelves were useless. Even then, I only went through the first 3. Garbage, by the way, all three. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: KPL on 18 December 2007, 00:38:11 Because Dr.Cain is an ass. Weren't they working, being part of society? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Xero on 18 December 2007, 00:55:52 Being part of society and being slave driven are 2 different things.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: KPL on 18 December 2007, 01:07:17 Correct.
So. Were they slaves or ordinary workers? *looks* Oh yea, it's the Zero series.. Never mind. Slaves it is. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Mournson on 28 December 2007, 08:41:13 That's Xero's point. you my friend stated the obvious, which actually made me laugh my ass off. on the other hand, you guys are so angry about this messing up the story line, it's making me want to buy a copy, so please, carry on.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: HyperEpsilon on 1 January 2008, 20:54:17 I've been out of the loop with MMZ after the first game, besides the occasional plot summary, so what parts of it, plot-wise, are wallbanging worthy?
It's the steroids. And crack cocaine! Because Dr.Cain is an ass. More like an idiot. Wasn't he supposed to be an archaeologist or a botanist or something? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 1 January 2008, 22:07:12 I've been out of the loop with MMZ after the first game, besides the occasional plot summary, so what parts of it, plot-wise, are wallbanging worthy? MMZ in it's ENTIERETY is VonKarma wall banging worthy. Though the Cyber Elfs and Elf Wars would be to tier if you want to pick out specifics. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: HyperEpsilon on 2 January 2008, 02:04:23 Ah, yes, those parts.
I myself didn't find them to be bad... but then again, I like most things. ... Except for the bit about the three generals dying anticlimatically. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: preventerWIND on 2 January 2008, 02:09:33 Actually they did die in a pretty epic way. It was just the discussion whether they died or not that wasn't cool.
SRSLY CAPCOM. NOT COOL. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Ben on 4 January 2008, 04:01:44 SRSLY CAPCOM. NOT COOL. You realize that the ZERO series was made by Inti Creates and not by CAPCOM, don't you? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: preventerWIND on 11 February 2008, 05:50:54 No, 'cause I never noticed the Inticreates logo in the MMZ games. Ever.
It's Capcoms fault for even associating with Inti, I feel they could have done much better without ideas from Inticreates, a lot of the designs and plots lacked a lot. Posted on: 4 January 2008, 05:11:26 BREAKIN' NEWS THAT NOBODY CARES 'BOUT! Apparently it's being printed out, it should be released by late March/early April. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Someguy on 11 February 2008, 05:54:21 And then once it's late March/early April we'll get another year long delay. This is MMM I doubt anyone here cares about that book
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: preventerWIND on 11 February 2008, 05:58:10 BREAKIN' NEWS THAT NOBODY CARES 'BOUT!DURR! and you shouldn't talk, you said you'd make more MTZ but what do we get? More promises of MM gold turned into crap! >: ( Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Someguy on 11 February 2008, 06:01:44 BREAKIN' NEWS THAT NOBODY CARES 'BOUT!Whoa, I read that as BREAKING NEWS...Meh : preventerWIND and you shouldn't talk, you said you'd make more MTZ but what do we get? More promises of MM gold turned into crap! >: ( ...Meh, I'm working on it Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Rama Olendris on 23 May 2008, 15:40:38 Well, after all those frustrating delays, the works is now available for pre-order (again) from Amazon.com. Let's hope that this time, there won't be anymore problems.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: NovaMan XP on 23 May 2008, 17:27:40 It's coming out next week I think. Right?
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Mikero on 24 May 2008, 04:59:07 People actually want this?
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: NovaMan XP on 24 May 2008, 04:59:39 Apparently...
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: ASR on 24 May 2008, 12:59:57 I'd be down if it were for X or Classic or Legends.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: ChaosVortex on 24 May 2008, 14:02:58 To be honest, I want this too, but I don't want to buy it.
Classic, X, and Legends would be worth the cash. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 8 June 2008, 19:49:47 So... Either everyone bought all the 10 copies out of existence, or I'm guessing the entire fandom did mass genocide after reading it, hence there's no real discussions about it on the net...?
Or did they just delay the book for the billionth time to make the cover extra shiny for all it's worthless splendor? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: NovaMan XP on 8 June 2008, 21:47:33 I guess everyone who bought one had theirs randomly explode. Or it got delayed.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Fatso on 8 June 2008, 21:58:59 I think the main issue here is people buying them at all.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: SB on 8 June 2008, 22:03:53 Well... Isn't Udon, people doing this book, supposed to be handling the new R20 releases as well?
I'm curious as to how AWESOME their quality is on this project, and it seems to be so great, a time paradox has happened at their warehouse on all the copies that don't seem to exist... Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 9 June 2008, 21:26:33 Well... Isn't Udon, people doing this book, supposed to be handling the new R20 releases as well? No one is talking about it because half the X fans hate MMZ, and the other half already talked about anything that mattered when it came out in japan and the other half don't care either way and the other half are confused because they can't find Geo in it. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Rama Olendris on 9 June 2008, 21:43:19 No one is talking about because it IS MMZ.
The book is only up for pre-order. It's not for sale yet just for the pre-order for when it does eventually come out. I know this because I had Amazon.com alert me if/when it was available. I want this item because of the artwork mostly and I did enjoy some parts of the series, most of it was crap, but I am fond of some things. Oh shaddap, you know at least 60% of the people here WILL get it at one point. You all have apparently played ZX or Ryuusei. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 9 June 2008, 21:57:36 I could have bought both the import and domestic release of it LAST week. It's out in America. But why would I waste money on a book full of art I hate that goes into unnecessary detail about a plot that rapes one I like and is generally diarrhea inducing to putrid flesh crawling in quality on it's own?
I wouldn't, and so too goes most all the people here who don't like MMZ. That's why I sincerely DOUBT 60% of the people here are going to buy it. I wouldn't even buy it to show support for one of the books I DO want. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Rama Olendris on 9 June 2008, 22:11:45 It's a matter of personal opinion, and I did like the art a lot. As for the plot raping, I couldn't agree with you more.
I'm looking more forward to the Classic and X books myself. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Johncarllos on 10 June 2008, 14:42:19 Who isn't?
If they ever get made that is. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: preventerWIND on 10 June 2008, 16:11:01 I want R20, thats it. I don't want any Complete Works, I couldn't handle the series anymore if I found out any more "surprises".
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 10 June 2008, 17:39:38 It's a matter of personal opinion, and I did like the art a lot. As for the plot raping, I couldn't agree with you more. Oh, the art in and of itself isn't BAD, its just bad as Mega Man X, which is what MMZ is. It's suppose to be Mega Man X pt2, and the style didn't fit it at all. Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: Irisblossom on 29 June 2008, 20:17:08 Suddenly I'm afraid for Legends 3...1.why 2. it eather isn't going to be made, its being made and we didn't hear about it, or it hasn't come out yet ::) Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: preventerWIND on 29 June 2008, 20:19:08 1. wut?..
2. wut? 3. WUT!? Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: NovaMan XP on 29 June 2008, 20:35:17 Why? Because we know Capcom would try making connections to ZX with it and horribly ruin everything that was great about the game by trying to connect it with the other series.
Title: Re: Zero Complete Work Discussion Post by: TheRedPriest on 4 July 2008, 17:42:36 Suddenly I'm afraid for Legends 3...1.why Why? Because we know Capcom would try making connections to ZX with it and horribly ruin everything that was great about the game by trying to connect it with the other series. Just like X got bent into following some ##### MMZ based ultimate future and contributed to ruining what was one of video games best series. So too shall it be with Legends. |