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So while in the classic series megaman would always best Wily, Bass never was truly destroyed, and when we travel to the future, X eventually gives up and retires, or becomes a cyber elf, while Zero takes a leave of absence but still comes back to save the day. I think since Zero died with his boots on, fighting for a cause he believed in, Wily made the better robot, instead of the blue bomber who decided to give up.

Voted Dr. Wily just because he's too #####ing badass for me not to.

Dr. Light is better.

If you mean by in terms of who can build the better robot, then yeah. Light built Mega Man.

But...

Wily is better in probably every other aspect. I mean... can Light do this?

(http://www.gsarchives.net/nes/mega_man_2/sprites/animated/Boss_Dr.Willy_Dr.Willy_FlyingMachine.gif)

Anyway, I can't pick, so I'm not voting.

Needs more Cossack, since he upgraded the Mega Buster even more than Light could, not to mention made Beat, who's one of the best support characters in the series, albeit he got drunk and lost all the parts for Beat every time :P

Besides, unlike WILY AND LIGHT, the man had his own CASTLE, and he clearly got LAID, and held a steady job while being a proper father figure to his daughter.

That bum Wily keeps bouncing around from faking good guy, to unemployment, to supreme ruler of creation, to now begging people to send him money to his bank account so he can be the hero... And Light... It's a fact, the man is a douche. He clearly let Wily work with him on Gamma, the MASSIVE POWERFUL PEACE KEEPING ROBOT, with the intentions of swiping it himself. Why else would the man make something so stupidly large and neigh invincible, save for the stupidest weapon weakness in the entire franchise, if not to get his own game on? Besides, if that doesn't sell you, Light made X into the most destructive force on Earth, and just sealed him away, and wasn't even sure if he would be safe or not, but that didn't stop him from creating more Armor Parts and Enhancements for X than Ghangis Khan has decendants, now did it?

Oh yeah, Cossack. YES.

We need to be specific on what "better" is. Cossack is the man.

than Ghangis Khan has decendants

Oh, Mr. Prosser...

I would have voted for Cossack in a heartbeat, but I went for Light.
Wily is super badass and awesome and stuff, but I don't regard MMZ Zero as the same thing as MMX Zero. The one in MMZ just looks like Axl with amnesia, and he's not even as good of a fighter. Plus, his armor has weak points all over; that's a pretty crappy reploid there. SO I don't include that in my decision (and if I did it wouldn't be credit to either doctor).

Wily may have built Bass, but he's been bested several times by Megaman, so that doesn't matter either. He's got a lot of gusto, though, trying so many times to take over the world.

On the other hand, we have Dr. Light. He built Rock to be nothing more than a janitor.
A janitor.
And then, in a heartbeat, converted him into a fighting machine so powerful that he was able to not only destroy the industrial robots running amok, but various creations of Wily's that were unspeakably powerful, AND a crappy copy Megaman. Then he did it several more times. All the while gaining a power-up here and there.

And he was instantly modifiable. And the weapons system? The one that FABRICATES other weapons systems?
That's some crazy stuff. And he put it in X, as well (even Zero's weapon system isn't that advanced).

On the subject of X, X is infinitely modifiable. He has more armor parts than god does, as SB mentioned. Light BUILT all of those before he died. Light built spike-resitant armor. In the Megaman universe that's like finding the holy grail.

And then he allowed X to charge his special weapons, transforming the android into a mobile weapons platform the likes of which has never been seen.
But X isn't just an engine of destruction.

Oh, no. He has feelings. He has a conflicted moral consciousness that would make Nietzsche cry with shame. It's amazing that he's never gone bat##### crazy, given eveything that's happened to him. X really does have quite an amazing character, and that was partly Light's doing (X has free will, so that's debatable).

And even if you DO include Megaman Zero, X is still more horrifyingly powerful than Zero his. The only reason he was able to win in the first place is that he wasn't even fighting X. X had transcended time and space in some sort of robotic-zen-like thingy.

Also, Dr. Light built Roll.

So I think he wins by default.

(also it's Genghis)

Well, after reading that post, you can see why Wily got jealous and went ape##### crazy to take over the world.

Wily gave Zero boob lights.

Light gave X three trillion upgrades.

Cossack made Ring Man AND he's Russian AND he's a freaking genius. That's enough to make me vote for Cossack. I no-vote until I see Cossack up there, damn it.

No, not Ring Man. SKULL MAN!

Added a bunch of other doctors from other series including X and Zero

Added a bunch of other doctors from other series including X and Zero

Ew. No. Classic series. A lot of those don't belong.

I accept Dr. Cossack and Dr. Cain. That's it, get rid of the rest.

Dr. Cain is pushing it a little, but yeah.

Evil has always been cooler for me. I mean, they have cookies. So I went with Wily.

Added a bunch of other doctors from other series including X and Zero

If you're going to be like that, where are the Legends scientists?

I voted Professor Glaudelle because he has a big bill.

• First of all, it's "Gaudile", not "Glaudelle". And he does basically nothing but touch a blonde's rack (which is pretty easy considering how intelligent blondes aren't) and look wicked. Nope.
• Second, it's Dr. Light you braindead cannon fodder fetuses. Wily is equal to Light in my opinion, but I mean... Light is just Light. If it ain't Light it ain't right. He's the winner for me, just for being the best at what he does, and being better at it than every single other person or reploid on the list. PERHAPS if whatever Klingon created Duo was on the list, I'd vote for him, as Duo was above anything Light had completely at the time.
• Oh wow Cossack upgraded Mega Man's ARM. His arm? ##### off. Light CREATED that #####ing arm. "Oh I'm Cossack I just put one piece in this arm to make it a bit better blah blah worship me."

NO THANKS.

Besides, what kind of name is Kalinka Cossack anyway? Sounds like a date rapist.

• Now onto Cain. Yeah he's cool. But what did he do? He opened a capsule or two. And then he photocopied (Yes photo, as a photocopy can never be exactly the same as the original, it's ALWAYS off. Look it up.) what he found inside.

He's a tracer. Trace trace trace. Traces and photocopies so much you get weird bastardizations of the real deal like Axl and all these weird ass things in MMZ that look like old turn of the Century (19th-20th, not 20th-21st) wood burning stoves. Yes, let's all worship the most successful plagiarizer of the 22nd Century. Good job.

• Doppler? No.
• Psyche? Not likely.
• Weil? You would have to be from a parallel universe. And I know everyone from a parallel universe that's on the planet. We go to the same Record Runner.
• Ciel? Please terminate yourself.

If i knew my topic was going to be expanded from the two orginals to all of them, i would have chosen Ciel. Not because she made a great robot, hell she made Zero into a anorexic and in the end she brought him back to die. But it was thanks to her work that reploids and humans can coexist in peace. she found the new energy source. worked to bring the people together, and honored Zero. I mean finding peace between robots and humans, hell we have had at least four seperate megaman series about robots trying to rule man, or kill him or w.e.  Ciels character helped in a big way to find peace after a alot of war. ( if only for 200 years but still thats a good run)

Cains a bastard, if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have Sigma and probably the Maverick wars. X would have taken down Zero, and if we're lucky we wouldn't have a Zero series.

Cains the one to blame. MMM, focus your hate on him.

Lights cool in terms of genius, and Wily can create some really strong robots.

Yeah, even if Wily didn't make MegaMan, the sheer number of robots he designed in comparison to Dr. Light is impressive, and all of them were at least worthy adversaries for MegaMan.

Plus, all those minion robots!

Ciel is a terrible scientist. She ruined a perfectly good Wilybot.

Light never ruined anything.
The only thing he ever came close to ruining was Protoman, and even then he said to himself: "Well, I guess I'll just jam these horrifying experimental weapons systems on you and a shield with the defensive power of a metool, and you can go off on your own to die."
The Protoman was all like:  8), because he's a soulless killing machine.

The "minion robots" ASR mentions are usually Lightbots that Wily hacked earlier to fight off Megaman.
And considering that even against insurmountable odds Megaman continued to defeat any of the bots Wily himself programmed AND built (which I recall not being very many of them), he's still several levels above them in terms of power and finess.

And I remind you that Megaman is a janitorial robot.
Makes me think Light loves whiskey.

If anyone's ever seen that one MegaMan cartoon where him and Wily pop out of the videogames...

Well, let's just say Wily builds a whole base inside of Mt. Fuji and he's only been out of the game for maybe like 15 minutes tops.

But that isn't real.

It's still impressive!

... alright.
It is mighty impressive.

I mean that's like Supreme Commander technology there.

...

:: cleans Xero's #####ry from the poll ::

There we go.  Aside from the fact this is a CLASSIC series poll, with the exception of Cain, the rest range from meh filler one shots to members of Inti's "LULZ WATCH AS WE ##### UP YOUR PRESCIOUS MEGAMANS" club.  I'm sure after his all expense paid vacation to the mauling tent, Xero will return to work refreshed and ready to stop sucking.

And Rez voted for...?

Wily, no doubt about it.

Duh.

Light's a genius, no doubt, but Wily being a close #2 proves he's no slouch.  So his stuff keeps getting beat by Mega Man, so what?  Mega Man beats EVERYONE.  Wily's the only one with enough balls AND brains to keep comming back and pushing Mega Man to his limit each time.

And frankly, in building Zero, I think he trumped Light in the end.  Yeah, Light had X, but personally, in the end, if push came to shove, I think Zero has just as good a chance of taking out X as X does Zero.  Though I think Zero's killing instinct would eventually bring him out the victor.

And thus Wily tops Light.

And he has a bitch'n Castle.

Many bitchin' castles, he's obviously #####ing loaded to afford that many. More than Light ever had with his dinky freakin' hut.

Also. X would beat Zero.

HE HAS UN LIMITED POTENTIAL!!1

The adults are talking son, go back to bed.

But it was from MHX, it must be real.

Permission to bitch slap, sir?

GRANTED.

WAIT NO NO NO NO I WAS JUST KIDDI-

Duh.

Light's a genius, no doubt, but Wily being a close #2 proves he's no slouch.  So his stuff keeps getting beat by Mega Man, so what?  Mega Man beats EVERYONE.  Wily's the only one with enough balls AND brains to keep comming back and pushing Mega Man to his limit each time.

And frankly, in building Zero, I think he trumped Light in the end.  Yeah, Light had X, but personally, in the end, if push came to shove, I think Zero has just as good a chance of taking out X as X does Zero.  Though I think Zero's killing instinct would eventually bring him out the victor.

And thus Wily tops Light.

And he has a bitch'n Castle.

Thank you, that is exactly what i was talking about, originally

Permission to subdue the subject with lethal force?

Granted.  But put the tarps up first.  I don't want blood on my coat.

 :'(

Well I guess I get to revote. I voted Cossack, because he made Beat.

Looks like Pluvius is about to get "Beat!"

*audience chuckle*

But seriously, you just made a decision by one thing. Rez had a paragraph.  REZ WINZ

I voted Wily, for his wild hair is the greatest technological advancement.

Also, his robots can pass for human. For HIM.

Yeah, even if Wily didn't make MegaMan, the sheer number of robots he designed in comparison to Dr. Light is impressive,

Actually it's as impressive as it is pathetic. I'm not disagreeing with you, but think of it like this; Dr. Light got it correct quickly. Wily could never do that. He tried and tried and tries and never gets there. Bass was his closest thing (b4 zerollllgsdgsaggaylordmode) and even then Bass doesn't listen to Wily and still can't beat MM.

The only reason Bass is weaker to MM is because he doesn't fight for GOOD. Thanks to Duo's awesome logic we know that Bass could beat MM, he's more powerful, they both have justice energy,

BUT ITS CAUSE HE DON'T FIGHT FER GOOD

No. That is stupid. If we're going to be stupid I'll throw in the "MegaMan is MORE DAN A ROBOT!" and ##### up your business.

Don't get mad at me get mad at Capcom, they're the ones who came up with that bull.

But seriously, you just made a decision by one thing. Rez had a paragraph.  REZ WINZ

Forum polls are not serious. They are meant to be voted on in a ludicrous matter, unless they involve tits.

Don't get mad at me get mad at Capcom, they're the ones who came up with that bull.

Capcom of America. It's as canon as there being yellow asses sprouting out of the ground near Wily's first fortress.

Those asses were AWESOME.

I always thought he was in Icemans stage, seeing as there are palm trees all over. But after taking a closer look at the buildings in the back I don't know where the ##### he is.

Oh, don't get me wrong, they were indeed awesome. That crap at the end of MM7 wasn't, however. "I gonna do what I should have done years ago" doesn't strike me as "more than a robot" talk.

Well it's Capcoms (and I'm pretty sure not only CoA) excuse as to why MegaMan's sooo strong. Justice energy and all that malarkey. And thats why Bass can't beat MegaMan, because he fights for justice and Bass fights for selfish reasons blah blah blah..

ugh

I have mixed feelings about the ending of MM7, MegaMan not taking Wily's bullcrap anymore and threatening to shoot his head in. It's pretty cool, but it also makes idiots think that MegaMan'll kill Wily at some point. And yeah, I've actually heard people say this.

Argh, I don't wanna go searching. But hold on.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xAvnq_7LKbo

At about 1:00, he's "MORE THAN A ROBOT!! DIE WILY!"

Wily:  >:(


Heheh, I gonna do what I should have done years ago..

I have mixed feelings about the ending of MM7, MegaMan not taking Wily's bullcrap anymore and threatening to shoot his head in. It's pretty cool, but it also makes idiots think that MegaMan'll kill Wily at some point. And yeah, I've actually heard people say this.

Doesn't Mega Man say something like "It's the same excuse over & over again" in... Uh... Either MM&B, MM8, Power Fighters, or whatever else takes place after MM7.

Argh, I don't wanna go searching. But hold on.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xAvnq_7LKbo

At about 1:00, he's "MORE THAN A ROBOT!! DIE WILY!"

We've all seen the ending. It's a mistranslation. He's supposed to say "..." instead.

You can't say "..." because you're not saying anything!

And yes, we know, but I'm sure his intentions were just the same.

It's totally different.
It keeps Megaman from looking like an angry fool to just say "...".

Not to mention people use that "More than a robot" crap as proof that robot masters have free will. They do, but there are better proofs.

Robots like Megaman are Turing-class machines.
All robots until the creation of X (and in fact until the discovery of X by Cain and reproduction of his systems) are the same way.

Turing-class machines cannot exhibit free will, and are programmed to do what they will do. Even if it's killing people; the laws of robotics are fiction, but it's a good idea to program them into machines anyway.

Megaman can, however, attempt to simulate human emotions and ideals, but he cannot think in terms of nebulous imagery, rather opting for a more logical understanding of things.

Unless I've missed something in the whole Megaman back-story.

Unless I've missed something in the whole Megaman back-story.

You haven't, but Classic has always been presented as the robots being like people.  So when the X series came along and proclaimed "FREE WILL AT LAST LOL" it meant that somehow X and reploids were different from classic robots even though they both act the same.

So we just have to settle that classic robots don't have true free will, and are just programmed to appear like they do.  Works for me.

Yeah Chron is correct. However, during the whole "more than a robot" business Wily tells MM that robots can't harm humans, which provokes said reply. That suggests that Dr. Light (and possibly Wily) programs his robots with Asimov's laws.

Quick Man was deliberately programmed by Wily to betray him & save Mega Man in Super Adventure Rockman. Blues was deliberately programmed by Light to run away & disobey. Forte was deliberately programmed by Wily to develop an inferiority complex.

Yup, that all makes perfect sense.

Glad you get it then.

The alternative is to accept the 'living machine' bull#####, so I suggest you get to it.

The classic series isn't serious enough to give a ##### about whether or not robots are equal to humans or have free will. That's angst crap better suited to the X environment. Well, The Zero one, since X #####ed up the serious tone by having a recurring boss & stupid ##### like that that didn't fit.

Quick Man was deliberately programmed by Wily to betray him & save Mega Man in Super Adventure Rockman. Blues was deliberately programmed by Light to run away & disobey. Forte was deliberately programmed by Wily to develop an inferiority complex.

Yup, that all makes perfect sense.

There's a difference between free will and acting on past knowledge.

One is spontaneous and without regard to prior information; gut feelings.
The other is rigorous cause/effect and instinct based decision making.

Protoman's actions do not regard feelings or sensitivities of other people/entities, neither do Quick Man's.

I disagree. "Gut feelings" are a combination of past experience & a drive to do a particular thing from one's very core. DNA is similar to a robot's goal when designed.

Yeah but you're an idiot. DNA is nothing like anything robotic, and you're a fool to even mention it.

What does deoxyribonucleic acid have to do with anything?

DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA!!!!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

As a computer scientist, I have always failed to understand what DNA data is even supposed to be.

It's like people think data is some sort of tangible thing.

That actually made me laugh. Imagining people trying to touch or hold data.

Ask Inafune and Inti.  They seemed to think it was a GREAT idea.

Remember that he produced a game where your PET has an unlimited supply of blank battle chips somehow, as if the things wouldn't take up any space.

Never accuse Inafune of seeking realism.

Actually, I think that represents blank disk space for more programs to fit in.
I don't do much with BN, but I believe "battle chips" are just programs.
No idea why you can't make copies of them.

Remember that he produced a game where your PET has an unlimited supply of blank battle chips somehow, as if the things wouldn't take up any space.

Never accuse Inafune of seeking realism.

Or Lan conveniently had blank battle chips with him whenever he went anywhere and got more when he woke up the next morning.

Just a hunch...

DNA has no place or relation to Robots.  Chips and data are related to programs and computers.  Weather or not Lan pulls a pouch of them out of his ass is irrelevant.  At least they fit in with the series and work with the plot and concept.  DNA data and cyber elfs do NOT.

Well, cyber elves fit in NOWHERE.

Remember that he produced a game where your PET has an unlimited supply of blank battle chips somehow, as if the things wouldn't take up any space.

Actually, I think that represents blank disk space for more programs to fit in.
I don't do much with BN, but I believe "battle chips" are just programs.
No idea why you can't make copies of them.

The battle chips were tangible little cardlike things, but I always assumed that after a battle you would receive the data and Lan would download it into an empty chip.

I never thought that the PET just spit out chips. That would be/is stupid.

I forgot that you could pick them up like that. It's been a long, long time since my play-through of BN1.

They are probably just loaded into the PET once found.

As far as the game is concerned, probably.

But the show... Oophl.

Haha, I just remembered that I was originally going to reply to this thread saying "Tom Baker."

But... I've never actually seen any old episodes of Doctor Who, just the new stuff, and I only know that he's generally the most famous of the Doctors by reading up on it. So, I figured it wasn't my place to make that joke.

I thought it was funny, though, remembering it just now.

Well, aren't you the funny little comedian?

ONE DAY I WILL BE. JUST YOU WAIT. SHUSH YOUR FACE.

Sorry, my face has been acting up lately ever since it learned how to be sarcastic.

Well, aren't you the funny little comedian?

HA. I see what you did there.

Probably not literally what he meant but I always welcome more excuses to kill the poor bastard.

That's you, XJ. The poor bastard. That I'm going to kill. Death threat!

OH SNAP

OH SNAP

There goes his neck.

Probably not literally what he meant but I always welcome more excuses to kill the poor bastard.

That's you, XJ.
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Fixed.

It's too bad whichever non-kryptonian made that isn't very good at photoshop, otherwise one could buy that they're actually Superman/Superboy/Supergirl/Krypto.

I didn't make that if that's what you're thinking.

I'm not. But whoever did make it was pretty bad as it should be rather easy..

It fits Superman 64 though. Like a glove.