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As you know the most recent games we had so far are Mega Man Star Force and Mega Man ZX.

With ZX:  Advent out and everything all we have left to look forward now is Star Force 2.

Now what's going to happen beyond that?  According to Inti and Capcom, if ZXA didn't sell enough, they weren't going to bother with a 3rd ZX game.  Now this leaves us with only Star Force which in my opinion is horrible.  So if all we have left in Mega Man's future is nothing but Star Force, does this mean that soon the blue bomber will be nothing but a memory?

What can Capcom do to preserve Mega Man's glory?  Is there a way Capcom can actually save the franchise and restore it to the days of Classic and X?  Will there ever be a Classic, X, or Legends game again?

What do you think will happen to Mega Man's future?  Do you think it will slowly rebuild itself to it's former glory, and slowly sink into a rubble of fail that ends his franchise with a whimper?

Discuss!

Wasn't a third ZX already confirmed?

I think Capcom said they had an idea for a MegaMan game on the Wii.

And Inafune said he wanted to make a new MegaMan in 5 years or something (but that's too long).

I think ZX is done. ZX: Advent pretty much wrapped it up.

All we have to look forward to is Star Force 2...?

MegaMan is #####ed.

Hopefully Inafune will do what he wants. He said he had an idea for another megaman game, something straying from the BN/SF series. This would most likely be another ZX game, but could also be an addition to one of the older series. I hope this'll happen..

Edit: Damnit Nova.

I do as well.

Also what I'm hoping for is that Mega Man will be in Brawl, but not in the ZX/Zero/BN/Star Force forms.

If they use Classic or X it could be a start to the spark that brings Mega Man back on the right direction.

Also if Inafune wanted to make Legends 3, then having Mega Man in Brawl would be a perfect way to generate royalties to get the budget needed for it.

But as it stands to me, things seem rather bleak.

Honestly, I can only see this as a good omen. Maybe, as a result, there will be something left of the series that will remain unspoiled.

God forbid we see any more retcon.

If they put Mega Man in Brawl, it'll advertise the series like it did for Fire Emblem in Melee.

What do you mean Advent "pretty much wrapped it up?"

It left us with a massive cliffhanger, are you joking? They better give us a ZX3!

I would like MM to be in brawl as well, it's good for the franchise..  (even though I haven't touched any SSB : P) But It seems to me like they would put in Geo as the brawl megaman.. you must admit, Capcom likes to advertise their newer megaman series more than others.. Megaman NT warrior for example : \

What do you mean Advent "pretty much wrapped it up?"

It left us with a massive cliffhanger, are you joking? They better give us a ZX3!

[spoiler]Because they killed the guy who was behind Model W..? Bah, maybe he'll pull a Zero.[/spoiler]

pfft...Sakurai is the one who chooses not Capcom.  So if anything we'll get Classic or X.

But enough about that.

Brawl could be used to have Mega Man pull a Metroid.  Since 64 and Melee, Samus generated enough popularity to get 3 Metroid Prime games, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, and Hunters and Pinball.

I'm hoping that Classic Mega Man's inclusion will inspire Capcom to make more remakes of 2-6 then eventually a MM9.

Oh and [spoiler]If you beat ZXA on Expert, there is a cliffhanger.  Master Thomas has his own plans.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Well, we do have a plot for ZX3, both Giro and Model Z are gone.. They're gonna come back me thinks.. [/spoiler]

No, you moron (Nova). Did you beat Expert Mode or not?

[spoiler]Master Thomas is actually evil, and is behind everything. We still don't know the full story of Prometheus and Pandora, too, though we know a lot more than we did before.[/spoiler]

No, you moron (Nova). Did you beat Expert Mode or not?

[spoiler]Master Thomas is actually evil, and is behind everything. We still don't know the full story of Prometheus and Pandora, too, though we know a lot more than we did before.[/spoiler]

Well, I don't have the game right now, so I'll see that later.

NEVER MIND THEN.

ZING

I don't care much about SF so if they continue that series then... ugh...

I really want a new Classic and Legends game. D:

Brawl could be used to have Mega Man pull a Metroid.

I can only imagine how exciting that would be for Rez.

Don't worry.  NO FPS here.

Uh... You mean FPA.

Yeah.

But you get the idea.

If it sparked interest in Metroid it could spark interest in Mega Man.

No, it didn't really spark interest for Metroid. Nintendo knew they were over due for a Metroid game so they got Retro to do it for their lazy asses.

What Melee DID spark in was American curiosity for the Fire Emblem series... since MegaMan is already pretty much well known in America, I doubt him being in Brawl will really make a difference.

Too bad in America Megaman is seen as a children's game to people who don't know better.
We can blame Capcom's advertising for that. TEH BLOO BOMBA ISH BAK!!1

I also think Capcom should celebrate Mega Man more world widely.

Half the merchendise from Japan never even makes it here.  If they started celebrating Mega Man internationally and do it RIGHT, then perhaps there might be more incentive for Mega Man games.

I think that a Classic Megaman game for the Wii would sell VERY well. It would defenitely be appealing to the young gamers, making new MM fans. And all of the old farts like us will buy it because we remember Megaman. The reason that classic Megaman games like the PSP one failed is because no kids have PSP. Sure, the adults bought that game and played it. But that's only half of the potential customers that the Wii would be getting.

MAYBE if Megaman was made by Konami all along, we wouldn't have this wonderful topic, seeing as to how there was only eight or so Contra games in the past 20 years, and we ALL know those games are golden :P

But seriously, it's not too bad. Before we used to have only Zero and Battle Network to look forward to, with the suprise game here and there from Command Mission to the PSP Ports, so things haven't truly changed that much. I'm not sure of the sales of ZXA, but if the developers of it are going to be so stingy as to more or less "Pull a Legends" ending, and then announce that the fans have to ensure x amount of copies are sold, then they can keep their cash cow and let it die the death it deserves. That seems more like abusing your fanbase to me, as opposed to attempting to jostle a response out of them. I also could care less for what that team could do as far as any Non-ZX games go, given the level design in ZXa the minigame was really horrible, and the enemy placement as well as a bit of their attacks weren't any better. The quality of ZXa makes  me think of what they truly feel makes Rockman what it is, and while they get parts of it right, other parts are just so horribly wrong, so yeah, probably wouldn't be a bad idea to let their series die off and let someone else take charge for awhile.

Moving on...

Star Force isn't quite the "Force" to be reckoned with, that Inafune and pals once thought it would be. Sales were nothing special, and actually on the low side, and most import stores dropped the price down from their usually hefty $50 down to a whopping $15 in just two to three months after it's release, likely to just move stock. Heck, even in the stores I regurally shop over here in America, I never seen Star Force flying off shelves, with maybe a copy or two getting sold every month after it's initial release. Toss in the fact that the second game is supposed to drastically alter character personalities and motives here and there, and strays further from it's formula of story telling, and the fact that the battle system isn't really too impressive outside of a novelty, and it doesn't look well for that series, either.

Now the deal with the Wii is so far just a rumor that someone who apparantly has friends who are "Higher up" in Capcom stated, so I learnt my lesson with that one guy from either Atomic Fire or else MMN to put little faith in the words of such folk. The Franchise itself won't likely die out, given at the 20th anniversary event in Japan, they sold out of all the merchandise within the first 30 minutes, and had to ask people to leave the line, and they even sold out of their tickets much faster than Capcom had anticipated. Inafune was so impressed with the turn out, that he stated that he MIGHT make a new Rockman game in 5 or so years because of it, which you can look at however you please, but this leads me on to the next point of things...

Capcom underestimates the power of what they've created. From the way the Anniversary Event went from reports and whatnot, it seems that Capcom is really out of touch with their fans, which is what the true problem is lately. Things like understocking the store to not even having many tickets available to the event, and even Inafune generally being suprised and impressed with the outcome of fans, it points to a market that won't vanish easily, as well as possibly made Capcom rethink their strategies on how they handle things Rockman related. Sometimes the bad sales are Capcom related, like the PSP Ports to the system that wasn't truly on it's feet yet at that point in time, and other times it's just the fans finally stepping up and stating we're not going to take it anymore, as far as Star Force sales go, but other things they could be doing is improving their advertisements for the games. I don't even know a new Megaman game is released unless I hear people going crazy over it, given GameFAQ's and Gamestop and other places never actually advertise these things, so people like me that never flip open magazines are usually left in the dark, unless I want to waste time on Capcom's poorly made site now and then to dig up some facts, but that's an inconvience to both me and my time, and I have better things to do with that time, so that's on them.

All in all, though, I doubt Capcom will let Mega die, no matter how much he really should. You're talking about the company that to this very DAY is STILL pumping out Street Fighter II variants, and Mega's really no different in their eyes. Now if you want series that you'd enjoy playing to continue on with, that's up in the air, since most of the new stuff is hit or miss, being that Zero's difficulty was a vast miss with most fans, while ZX's casual approach is a hit with others.

I think what needs to happen is that Mega Man needs to go 3D.  However it needs to be done right.  See Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess and to a lesser extent, Prime 3.  These are excellent examples of good 3D games of 2D franchises.  If Nintendo can get it right then there is no reason why Capcom can't.  The just have to study the mechanics of a good 3D game and somehow apply it to Mega Man.

Once they can do that, then comes the time to move forward.

The last time they went 3D we got MegaMan X7...

They just need to make a game like Legends or something.

Like I said.  Mega Man needs to go 3D but it needs to be done correctly.

Which is what I've been saying! Grah, stop copying me! Hehe.

EDIT: OH WAIT, I said that in the one of the Legends threads. Yeah, basically I feel the same way as Xero.

I think what needs to happen is that Mega Man needs to go 3D.  However it needs to be done right.  See Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess and to a lesser extent, Prime 3.

No.

These are excellent examples of good 3D games of 2D franchises.

You just lost all credibility to participate in this discussion.  Metroid was, is and always WILL be a platformer.  NOT a FPS.  Prime is a FPS.  All 3 are.  Metroid Prime is the ANTITHESIS of a good 2D to 3D transition.  You want to cite 2D to 3D transitions?  Super Mario 64.  THAT is the standard.  Galaxy is good, but still not quite up to 64 pound for pound.  You don't change genre for a series and call it "Mission Accomplished".

Mega Man can work in 3D because it ALREADY has.  Legends is SOLID 3D Mega Man.  Minor camera issues aside, it is how a platforming adventure Mega Man game should be.

After clearing your painfully inaccurate statement I can say that as far as Mega Man's future goes, we're pretty #####ed.  If ZX, a poor excuse for MMZ which was itself a poor excuse for a Mega Man game, does poorly, no new Mega Man.  If it does well, we just get more of the same low quality #####.  We can't win either way.

Mega Man is dead.  That is a very, VERY sad fact.

Get off your nostalgic tower and give the ZX series a try. It's really not as bad as you're saying.
And although I'm a fan of the Zero series, I still hate everything about it... if that makes sense. Thus, I at least understand why you hate that. ZX, however, seems to have taken the series a tug in the right direction.

I've been thinking, though... the next obvious choice for a 3D MegaMan game is another Legends, right? Well, I hate to say it, but releasing a sequel as a big-name comeback could be a problem. It's a bit intimidating, because a lot of people haven't played the first two Legends, myself included. I want nothing more than to be able to, but I simply have never had the chance. They're both rare games, too.
By releasing Legends 3 on a next-gen system with a large budget, they can't really... well... pull off the sales. I would hesitate to buy it simply because I haven't played the first two. I WOULD buy it, but others wouldn't for that same reason.

Fool, Rez has played ZX many a time. Try as he might, he can't get to like it.
I'm about the same way, but I just hate Zero in general.

As for Mario 64 being a good 2D to 3D transition, I will always wonder why people say this when 64 feels nothing like 3. It's a completely different game, and there's no argument in the other direction. It's Mario, yeah, but in a totally different way than every game before it. The same thing happens in any 2D to 3D transition.

Metroid Prime is a weird thing. It's not Metroid. Could never be.
Prime 3 IS, however, and excellent first person shooter that feels like it was made for the Wii.

It is not Metroid, though, in the same way Mario 64 is not Mario.
Also the same way that Megaman Legends is not Megaman.

In my opinion, there is no way to transform a 2D gaming experience into a 3D one, because the feel of it is so very different, and neither can take place of the other.

You can shoot for 2.5 D, like Megaman X8 is, but that game had serious problems with clunky controls, and generally nasty looking environments and Axl.

Honestly. 2D to 3D transition? Not possible.

True d'.

Get off your nostalgic tower and give the ZX series a try.

Right, nostalgia doesn't make a bad game good.  It makes you REMEMBER a bad game as being good.  ZX is bad all on it's own merits AND in comparison to the clean game play and presentation of the older games.

And as Chron said, I HAVE played ZX.  Beat both Aile and Vent's games.  I gave it a chance, JUST like I gave MMZ a chance.  It sucks.

It's really not as bad as you're saying.

Of COURSE I exaggerate when I talk about it to make a point, but it IS bad.  And it IS substantially inferior to any single 8bit or 16 bit Mega Man game save possibly Mega Man 6.  But even that's a close call.  At least MM6 has Dr. Wily.

And the Jet and Power Adaptors, which I consider to be 6's only saving graces.
and what graces they are

I agree with the second half of your post, Rez. To the ends of the earth I agree.

Now that I hear you've given it a try, I respect your opinion. I just don't find them to be bad games - I find them to be bad in comparison to the older MegaMan games, but it doesn't mean I can't like them.

Agreed to disagree.

I SERIOUSLY DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.  GET OFF MY LAWN.

HOW D'YA LIKE TOMATOES NOW, OLD MAN?!
THOSE WINDOWS AIN'T GONNA' CLEAN EASY!

And Nibbles just jumped over the gate.

You know, it's weird not being on the receiving end of that.

... anyone think that Capcom is still bold enough to try pandering to the current generation of kids with a new series?
I hear those shootan games are a hot item right now.

INDEED.

In the future there will be robots.

MEGAMAN Battle Network Anniversary collection -- DS

Megaman Zero Anniversary collection -- DS

Megaman portable collection -- PSP
And even later...!

Megaman Anniversary collection PLUS! Playstation
Megaman X ANniversary collection Too! Playstation

This is the future of megaman. The ones your kids will think you are an idiot to love

Just like Teenage mutant ninja turtles
Just like Transformers
Just like garfield
and just like alvin and the chimpmunks

In the future there will be robots.

MEGAMAN Battle Network Anniversary collection -- DS

Megaman Zero Anniversary collection -- DS

Megaman portable collection -- PSP
And even later...!

Megaman Anniversary collection PLUS! Playstation
Megaman X ANniversary collection Too! Playstation

This is the future of megaman. The ones your kids will think you are an idiot to love

Just like Teenage mutant ninja turtles
Just like Transformers
Just like garfield
and just like alvin and the chimpmunks

I'm sorry, my good sir, but you're an moron. Save for Alvin and pals, the others are still golden in their own ways.

Not to mention Capcom won't port the Zero Series into a single package, and definetely not the rotting EXE games in their many colors and variations, since they learnt nobody really likes to buy such packages, not to mention nobody would waste money on the newest ZXABRA game when they can get four times the same thing at the same or lower price in a Zero series set.

Capcom's porting of past games makese the new Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions look GOOD, and that's not supposed to be.

You missed his point.

They've become terrible, and what they're known for is the terrible new version, not the kick-ass old version.

If that's his point, he should have just stated it, instead of posting dribble.

TMNT, even though it's on 4Kids, is as true to the original as it really gets. WIN
Transformers, even though it had a bit of an awkward movie, didn't do so bad. Good.
Garfield had that reality check bit a year or so ago in the actual comics, and it messed with the reader's mind, made of alot of win.

Besides, from the way he worded it, people's children will think they're morons because of the older games, not the new ones. That's more on him than the way I interepted it. *Shrugs*

I was stating that capcom's new games will be just crappy collections of the old ones... Or crappy versions.

Face it ZX is a Z clone, Amped

Starforce is a MMBN clone...

And since I want to start some real controversy, X is a classic clone, just with a new story line.

Now lets fight to see if Square enix is doing the right thing with the final fantasy seven franchise?

It's an old tradition with ANYTHING




MILK IT FOR WHAT IT"S WORTH!

(screw the fans, it's the money we're after anyway)

*shrugs* You're all zombies dancing to the same tune.

Simply put, Megaman's future is that of something that will appeal to the new generations. Seriously, it's never going to be the same, so you can either live in the past, play the old games, accept "The Shape of Things to Come" and just move on/find another game series to enjoy, or suck it up and play the new games too.

I'm not going to say any choice is particularly easy to pick, but I found some enjoyment in ZX after EXE ended, so until they make something better, I'm just gonna tough it through. There's nothing else that can be done, we live in a new era.

*GASP!*

How ever could I argue with such truthful logic and honesty? I back down from this one.

Final fantasy rant here!

I stand by my oppinion...

I just don't tempt the wrath of Ares.

Final fantasy rant here!

I stand by my oppinion...

I just don't tempt the wrath of Ares.

lulz, tempting my wrath he says. No, worry about that when MChat comes. Everyone knows I'm more formidable on MChat than I ever was on the MBoard.

I digress, I won't be going into FF since this topic IS about Megaman. Unlike RPM (bless it's heart and soul) we talk about Mega here and frankly... it is pretty sad to see what has become of things and the road from here on out is bleak... but I too stand by my "opinion"

There really isn't anything we can do but accept the future of Megaman and leave the games behind.

Live in the past and only play the old games, think'n about the good 'ol days.

Or simply moving along with the flow of things, accepting what is for what it truly is and finding our own solice in the future that is on the other side of the horizon.

Or someone can get off their ass and make a kickass fangame.

Make my own mindless entertainment?

No, I will wine on how others are doing it poorly thank you very much.

In all respects, I'll be trying out ZX soon to give it a full go around before rating it.

MMZ, ZX and SF are the only out and out #####pile new series.  Classic, X, Legends and Battle Network were ALL soild series and very well done updates/reimagings of the Blue Bomber.  It's been in the VERY near past that all quality and care was abandoned.  X and Battle Network both spiraled into terrible levels of poor design and bloating.  Legends and Classic were abandoned outright.  Then we get "great" new games like MMZ, which failed utterly to capture the magic.  Was it the poor stage design?  The basic gameplay systems?  The fact you didn't play as Mega Man?  The fact you actually got to play as Zero but it wasn't Zero?  The fact it began a roller coaster ride of cancer that would tear asunder the much beloved X series plot?  It was doubtlessly all of these things.  Capcom got it wrong on every detail. 

But the best part?  Up became down, left became right and bad became good.  This was the new standard.  And so we get 3 more of these piles of ##### games.  Not only that, the series and spin offs that had been so well done/conceived were also systematically infected by this poison, reducing them to the same level.  Battle Network became a quick cash in, losing all character and playability.  X was constantly beset by attempts to mold it into a base for MMZ, coupled by terrible stage design game concepts.  Axl.  For #####s sake, THEY MADE AXL.

Capcom could still reinvent Mega Man.  It could be good.  It's just NOT.  And it's because, in part, of the current game culture and what brain dead "HARCORE" gamers and today's Ritalin ADD kiddies. 

The future does not look bright.  But at least we still have a healthy supply of vintage games that have weathered well over time and are still just as good as the day they came out.  So yes.  I think I shall sit down with a glass of brandy and continue to enjoy the games that ARE good, and wait, perhaps in vain, for the next X or Legends reimaging to occur and for Mega Man to finally return to where he belongs.  In a good game.

In my opinion, MMX and MM Classic, even Legends are SO much more satisfactory to ADD than BN and MMZ.

In the future there will be robots.

MEGAMAN Battle Network Anniversary collection -- DS

Megaman Zero Anniversary collection -- DS

Megaman portable collection -- PSP
And even later...!

Megaman Anniversary collection PLUS! Playstation
Megaman X ANniversary collection Too! Playstation

This is the future of megaman. The ones your kids will think you are an idiot to love

Just like Teenage mutant ninja turtles
Just like Transformers
Just like garfield
and just like alvin and the chimpmunks

The first transformers cartoon is not as good as everyone says it is. The Movie, I heard is pretty good, but not the TV series.

It really hasn't aged well, but it makes for hilarious moments.

I'm not saying the megaman games aren't fun, but seeing the same bull##### over and over... Ugh. ZX, I just can't get into. I got into SF because I was in love with BN. And I got in to X cause of Classic. Pretty much Classic attracted me to all.

The show has aged like #####. I used to watch it when I was younger, and I swear it was so much cooler than it used to be. I can't bring myself to laugh, either, if only because I'm angry that it's so lame watching it now.

The movie was great, so nobody else badmouth it. It was actually really funny and action-packed, which is all you need in a movie nowadays. Plus, it had a hot girl in it, which only adds to the total sum of awesomeness.

I will admit, however, that watching Beast Wars with my buddies recently was some of the best fun I've had in a while.

I can understand the hate for BN, Zero, and Star Force, they all suck horribly and should have never been concieved, but ZX?  ZX IMO is a major improvement from the utter #####hole that is MMZ.  To me ZX was like playing MMX all over again.  I don't understand the hate for ZX really.  Rez sorry to envoke your tomatoe stick filled wrath but please enlighten me onto why you feel ZX is horrible.

The hate of ZX, for me anyway, is based on crapulent unnecessary story, far too many characters, and fusiony powers, which is always a lamer-magnet.

Jumping and shooting is what I like.

i havent played it yet so i dont know.

Well I can at least understand the story for the two games.  As for the fusiony stuff it's not really that bad.  Infact if you can overlook that the gameplay for ZX is very fun and enjoyable.

The main reason I dispised the Zero series was because the difficulty and horrible systems of cyber elves, ranking, and weapons.  On top of that the level design in the Zero series was badly flawed, especially when having to rush through the levels defeating as many enemies as possible without taking damage.  

ZX on the other hand fixes those problems and actually makes the game fun to play and complete.  

At least that's how I think.

Storyline is cliched. ZXA's storyline is LESS cliched (only for Ashe), but still cliched nonetheless. However, the game's not bad.

And Mega Man has ALWAYS had a large arsenal of characters, most of which have been killed off.

Alright, I JUST finished ZX advent. to prove a point

(bought it yesterday, and played it religously.

I played Ash, on easy.

[spoiler]the battles were fun, the levels were entertaining.

Using the bosses themselves, instead of just one of their weapons, (or in MMZ, Their element chip, or a move you had to unlock... each time you played.)

I enjoyed Z, It wasn't great, but it was Megaman. Same with ZX. I have issues on the voice acting. most of it was forced and fake. It had some dark tones...

When I saw the sage trinity. I knew Albert was my main boss.[/spoiler]

All in all, With games like ZX advent, I can see capcom eventually making a game for the wii to be like gods to us all.

They are focusing on portables...

Perhaps feeling out their fans.

Also
[spoiler]Whatever ares said in SB's topic (jerk)[/spoiler]

Alright, I JUST finished ZX advent. to prove a point

(bought it yesterday, and played it religously.

I played Ash, on easy.

Usasasa

Tewi: What? Easy mode? How disgusting!
Reisen: Everyone knows easy mode is only for kindergartners!

Seriously, you can't even really DIE on Easy Mode in ZX games. You didn't even experience the game outside of some choppy RPG "We'll just hand you cutscenes and story to digest, and you can take a few steps while doing next to nothing, and we'll reward you with more! HUZZAH!" kind of deal.

GET BACK OUT THERE, SOLDIER!

Oh, I plan to.

I usually play Easy to get a hold of the gameplay and know the story.

I'll play it for the sake of fun later.

ZX IMO is a major improvement from the utter #####hole that is MMZ.  To me ZX was like playing MMX all over again.

That's it, no more trips to the brain slug planet for you.  To compare ZX to X is SO inaccurate one wonders if you're not immune to the Brain Spawn's attack.

Rez sorry to envoke your tomatoe stick filled wrath but please enlighten me onto why you feel ZX is horrible.

Gameplay.  The gameplay is awful.  Instead of having all your abilities to use, you get to change forms to do them.  That's annoying as #####.  No, ZXA didn't fix that.  At all.  Model X has what should be your buster, ZX's forced mode buster sucks ass compared to X's.  Saber is also still MMZ quality, which was never as good as X4's or even X5 or X6 Zero.  The only reason to use ZX is the buster.  The only reason to use FX is double jump/air dash.  Have fun switching between the two every 3 minutes just to get across a gap.  The rest of the forms are useless outside a stage designed reason to switch to it for 5 seconds to get past it.  ZXA is playing Axl by default.  Axl < X or Zero in gameplay.  Morphing into bosses does nothing and is even less practicle than the useless model forms.  So now in ZX you just have MORE useless forms that do nothing for gameplay.

ZX is actually quite possibly WORSE than MMZ in gameplay.  I won't touch the rest because it's all awful as well.

I see. 

Honestly it's not THAT bad.  Sure I don't like the idea of losing Model X and Model A needs to shut the ##### up and die slowly in a fire but past that ZX and ZXA is fun and enjoyable to me. 

But I understand why you hate it and I respect your opinion.  I still think ZX and ZXA are great and #####loads better than the pile of fail that is the Zero series.

I quite honestly don't see how.

Well for one thing you don't have to worry about cyber elves and ##### like that.  No need to pointlessly level up weapons, you actually find ##### such as Sub Tanks and Heart Tanks, no ranking system to make you look horrible at gameplay and the difficulty is at the perfect set. 

I even found Expert mode to be quite fun and enjoyable.  Not to mention boss rush and boss battle modes are a thrill.

Elfs were a big gameplay nerf, yes.  Ranking system just screwed you out of normal "beat the level" stuff you get in Classic or X.  While dumb, it didn't really detract from gameplay.
So pluses would be:

+ sub tanks/heart tanks back to X style

However, gameplay wise, that's really about it.  ZX's model system nerfs the CORE gameplay far more than the cyber elfs did the secondary gameplay of MMZ, and outside of ZX for the (gimped) buster, you only need FX for the double jump/air dash.  The rest are substancial filler that are even less useful than Water Wave or Rush Marine.  Stage design really isn't much better over MMZ either.

So I really don't see how you can say the gameplay is better than MMZ.

>_>

<_<

I think you mean Model HX that does that stuff.

*Is severly beaten with Rez's tomatoe stick*

Pssh, you WISH.

:: releases Nibbles ::

*Is severly mauled by Nibbles*

*dies of laughter*

Say what you will, but I think that something needs to be done with the Wii.

Capcom has come up with enough games, I think they can figure something out there.

Capcom has come up with enough games, I think they can figure something out there.

Making a lot of game ≠ Making a lot of innovative/good games.

The latest MM franchises have been diarrhea omelettes.

There's a rumor going around that a game called "MegaMan Scramble Battle" is due for a Q4 2008 release or something...

Scramble Battle sounds so... ugh. But then again, this is coming from the people who gave us MegaMan "Star Force".

Again, it's only a rumor.

From Advanced Media Network:

Rockman Synergy Commons via NeoGAF and C3 News, has come across an interesting tidbit in the form of a purported Retailer List featuring a number of new Capcom games. Among no-brainers such as MegaMan Star Force 2 for the DS and not-unexpected titles like Zack & Wiki 2 for the Wii lies one new yet familiar gem, shining amidst the other titles like a diamond in the rough: Mega Man Scramble Battle.

The game, listed in some places as an action/RPG title, is said to be on track for a Q4 2008 or Q1 2009 release, which sounds about right where these kinds of revelations are usually concerned. Capcom, however, "does not comment on rumors," so there's no confirmation nor denial at this time.

I'm scared.

You should  be.

At this point, I think Capcom ruined Mega Man...unless they do something BIG, like a Mega Man thats Final Fantasy-ish using whole the Mega Man universe...but it's Capcom were talking about, so that won't happen.

That idea is terrible anyway.

Better than Mega Man games that use the NT system. Then agian, I simply dont like NT or anything related to it.

using whole the Mega Man universe.

This has potential.

Sure it would be a failure of a game, but it would be a damn EPIC failure of a game!

I don't see why in this age of games where any descision you make in game can effect the entire game's outcome, that there are still weapons in MM games that affect absolutely nothing unless the area specifically needs you to use that weapon.

No offense to you Xero, but I like how you posted this thread now, when Rez has been saying this for as long as I've known him.

Well the newer games are full of fail and suck.

Except for ZX.

At least ZX still has the platforming style.. We should be thankful for that, now that all we're getting is a load of crap.

Why does MegaMan keep deviating from the original design? That's really my only complaint (Aside from not actually playing as MegaMan anymore) that they're focusing on making Megs more and more human with each game. I HATE that.

Soon  enough all the MegaMan games are going to Pokemon-y RPG games.

And I will stop playing MegaMan when that happens.

Why does MegaMan keep deviating from the original design? That's really my only complaint (Aside from not actually playing as MegaMan anymore) that they're focusing on making Megs more and more human with each game. I HATE that.

Agreed...

Well tomorrow is Mega Man's 20th anniversary.  I'm hoping that we get Mega Man in Brawl.  But it's very unlikely.

Very unlikely. But I would be as giddy as a school girl if he was announced tomorrow.

Yeah, I realize how awkward that would look.

I told my friend's I'd scream. Possibly spaz.

You know, even people I know that don't play Megaman want him to be/expect him to be/think he should be in Brawl.

Well the newer games are full of fail and suck.

Except for ZX.

Sorry, but ZX is just as sucktastic.  Playing through ZXA is even worse than ZX.  Ashe charge shot = useless.  Morph forms = even more useless.  Changing between forms to do the equilivant of take one step across the room = same fail as ZX.  ZXA didn't FIX anything.  It just got rid of the almost passable new main characters for ANOTHER two new ones that are about as Mega Man as cyber elfs and combined them with a girly voiced even more whiny Axl.

So you have gameplay that works as intuitively as a 300 pound man trying to skateboard down a flight of stairs while stabbing his eyes with burning dobermans which you compare to playing like the perfectly simple dash, run, jump, wall climb all in one X series controls as well as a plot even worse than MMZ itself and you call it good?

Such a claim makes what Bush says credible my friend.

Such a claim makes what Bush says credible my friend.

"Overseas countries like Canada"

I think the world over knows about our liar of a President.

Confused. He's just confused.

NOVA IS SAD.

In the January issue of Nintendo Power, they celebrate the Blue Bombers 20th Birthday.

And according to the articles, which I haven't read yet, but I'm gonna quote XHunter's post:

Quote from: XHunter
"What I found interesting is that Horinouchi had planned to create a game for the 20th Anniversary of Mega Man where all of the iterations of Mega Man could fight each other. Sounds almost like a Street Fighter or Marvel Vs Capcom type game. Unfortunately there wasn't enough man power to make the game a reality. Horinouchi concluded that he'd like to give that type of game another shot if given the chance."

And there you have it folks. I'll post the scans up shortly for all to read.


EDIT:

Scan 1 (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1420/megaman202001hh2.jpg)
Scan 2 (http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7920/megaman202002im9.jpg)
Scan 3 (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9610/megaman202003pz6.jpg)
Scan 4 (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/979/megaman202004or6.jpg)
Scan 5 (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1687/megaman202005ma4.jpg)
Scan 6 (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4556/megaman202006dq9.jpg)


News Credit: XHunter, Rockman AMV Station (http://rockmanamv.com/main.php)

This guy (Horinouchi) says he started his work on Mega Man with Battle Network 4.

That makes me lean to the possibility that he sucks.

Wait, where the ##### did it say that?! Now I'm neutral on the matter.

[laughs]

It said that right in the beginning. Though, he seems like a likeable guy, and he sure does know what he's talking about as far as MegaMan goes. It's nice to have a producer who's actually a fan of the game, whether or not he started with MMBN4.

Well it's official.  Mega Man is dead to me now.

With Star Force 2 coming and Mega Man deconfirmed for Brawl.  It's apparent that Capcom no longer gives a ##### about Mega Man and is running into the ground of failure.

I'm just too stupid to realize it just now.  So as far as I'm concerned I'm pretty much done with Mega Man.

I'm probably not gonna be on the forums much longer either but we'll see.

Maybe by some miracle something good with happen.

Xero, Capcom had NOTHING to do with MegaMan's absence in Brawl. It even said so in the link you posted!

Nobody contacted Keiji Inafune, and he said that he would've loved for MegaMan to be included if someone HAD contacted him.

What are you talking about?

Oh I know that.

I'm just saying that Capcom is indeed running Megaman into the ground.

Brawl was perhaps the only spark of hope and Nintendo gave us the finger.

I never meant to say it was Capcom's fault.

MegaMan still has hope, especially if you enjoyed ZXA. There are people who have less hope in him than you do - namely Rez.

As for leaving MMM just because MegaMan is dead to you... a lot of people here don't particularly live for MegaMan either.

We better get ZX3 then.

Oh and I'm probably not going to leave MMM anytime soon.

So don't worry.

Xero, for you, I will fly down to Capcom and say "Don't make ZX3, otherwise we have to deal with some creep named Xero on a site called MMM. We want him gone, just don't make the game, kay?"

Oh and I'm probably not going to leave MMM anytime soon.

Lame. As much as I agree with Rez most of the time, we need his antithesis.

Indeed.

Hm. I think I thought he said that he WAS leaving.

Mega Man has had a good run. I really don't think 20 years is bad for any series and there comes a point where you really can't do much more than Inafune/Capcom. Sure they could churn out sequels for Legends/X/Classic but the fact is is that it's never going to be good as MM2/MMX4/Legends1&2/xxx.

Hm. I think I thought he said that he WAS leaving.

Good. You had me confused for a few minutes.

Init Creations is the main reason for Mega Man's demise.  Capcom needs to move it to another studio.

Though if they're dead set on keeping one big continuity wank, there's no saving the series.

Unless they quit making a stupid new series every moon, and start finishing what they started (like Original or Legends); then they're not going to save MegaMan. In two years from now, we could end up having 10 series and not one of them is finished.

Battle Network and Zero are finished....

Well I for one tire of more green-eyed Megaman spin-offs constantly being pumped out of Capcom's factory line.

At this point I hope for a original series continuation, a good one with all new stuff, not just a recycled PSP game.

I'm a pretty die-hard Megaman fan, so I'll stick with him to the brutal end.

But we need some promises to be fulfilled, that being Legends and the Original series....

Yeah Legends is a spin off but it was a quality game one; that I personally thought was very well made.  

Honestly I think Capcom thinks Megaman fans will freak if the original Megaman series breaks into 3D....And lets face it.....sadly the market for sidescrollers is pretty much dead, with the release of the new line of next-gen consoles.

Capcom thinks that it has MM fans wrapped around its finger and they will mindlessly buy any new game released. And they are right to a point....Some will.

Part of the thing killing the series is the mindset we need to "finish" them.  We don't need a Classic game where Zero kills everyone.  We need them to be open ended.  8 Robot Masters?  Check.  A crazy plan by Wily?  Check.  Solid level design?  Check?  See what I mean?  Obviously not since we get MMZ, X7, X8 and ZX.

This is why Mega Man is ##### now.

I swear, this thread is nothing but flaming MMZ...

Then read it again.

Rez... you seemed to have put X8 in that list.  Let me move it for you.

*Beats Rez with his own tomatoe stick*

Hey, no, that's supposed to be on the list.

Remember? It was agreed the music in X8 was so terrible, especially when compared to Legends, that it made the whole game terrible as a result? Yup.

...

Is it all coming back to you?

Here, maybe some nice Legends music will help you remember...

Hey, no, that's supposed to be on the list.

Remember? It was agreed the music in X8 was so terrible, especially when compared to Legends, that it made the whole game terrible as a result? Yup.

When was that agreed?

I hate legends music....

Rez... you seemed to have put X8 in that list.  Let me move it for you.

*Beats Rez with his own tomatoe stick*

X8 sucks.  Deal with it.  It's not X7 bad of course, but compared to X1-X4, it's crap.

The music in X8 was good. The game was almost as good as X2 but it doesn't match X1 and X4. And ZX was decent as well. Maybe not extremely awesome, but there's a big gap if you compare it to X7.

I'd say Mega Man's worst bits were MMX5-7, MMZ1-4, and MMBN4-6.

Of course, I haven't played BN6 but you can also add Starforce to the list as well. The game itself was good, but most of it's negative points are because of the terrible story.

When was that agreed?

I think you missed it. Xero was ranting on and on about his love for the Legends soundtrack in MChat, and one thing lead to another...

The music in X8 was good. The game was almost as good as X2 but it doesn't match X1 and X4. And ZX was decent as well. Maybe not extremely awesome, but there's a big gap if you compare it to X7.

I keed, I keed. X8 has a somewhat decent soundtrack, that is to say there are some really good pieces, maybe even great. I find most of it forgettable and bland though, as they run the same electric guitar synth through literally 90% of all the music in the game. Otherwise,  something about X8's design was just off, the art direction along with the graphical quality were horrible and made the entire game look and feel bleak, uninspired and dull. Plus, the story failed hard. It's okay I suppose, but it doesn't even compare to anything before X6. X7 is worst, though.

If by love you mean utterly dispised then yes.  I "Love" the music in the legends series.

Well, yeah. How X8's story was unimpressive and for the most part, the music is good.

As for the art, I know what you mean. Capcom did it so the game would look more new and fresh. Fresh like what? #####? I guess. The game itself when it comes to gameplay wasn't too shabby.

EDIT: Also, I like some the the Legends' music.

Not all of it mind you, just a few bits like the Bonne Battle themes and whatnot.

I actually loved the Legends soundtrack. The theme song of the Bonnes, as well as the relaxing background music in the towns of Kattelox Island, or the music inside the Main Gate. Come on, it was good, but no one is forcing you to love it.

Yar, I'm with you. I just always tease Xero about it; me, I'm fond of the soundtracks for all three Legends games.

As for the art, I know what you mean. Capcom did it so the game would look more new and fresh. Fresh like what? #####? I guess. The game itself when it comes to gameplay wasn't too shabby.

I think my main problem with X8's gameplay was the introduction of this "metal" crap. It gave X8 a bit of an RPG feel, a bad one that is, as it wasn't well implemented or meant for the X series. It was tedious to have to replay levels again and again to get metals for the upgrades, and the existence of those upgrades themselves had affects on the actual gameplay, as that changed how Studio 01 approached and thought about the game's level design.

I thought it was OK. It's better than rescuing reploids who carry the upgrades you need and if they die "Oh well too bad, gone forever!"

I'm pretty sure that was only in X6. That's only because of the Nightmare, but I don't remember if the reploids could die in X7. I know they didn't in X5 though.

Rescuing Reploids was a poor addition anyway. The Metals felt better, but not really necessary.

The Reploids could die in X7.

I'll have to play X7 to answer that, but I know the whole retarded "reploid rescue" bit isn't fun at all.

EDIT: Oh, that reminds me. I didn't really care for the metals, but what annoyed me is the navigator had to talk everytime you found a metal, like you didn't already know.

"Great! That's a rare metal! You can use it to make a new chip!"
"Yeah, you've said that like... 50 times already."

The Reploids could die in X7.

Oh yeah? How'd they die, was it that they got caught in the crossfire or what?

When an enemy touched them, they died.

Right, I remember now...

...That was stupid. It's even worse than the Nightmare, as ANY enemy can kill them, and just with a touch.

That whole game was crap so don't worry about it.

You're telling me. Just another thing to chalk up to that abomination...

Atleast that ended with X7. The other abomination is still lingering.

The game itself when it comes to gameplay wasn't too shabby.

Look again.  X8 had some of the series WORST stage design.  If not for X7, it would have THE worst stage designs.  The Metal System was imperfect and buying your power ups was the antithesis of X series gameplay.  Axl, aside from being about the single worst character spawned from Mega Man mythos, was completely unnecessary and added absolutely nothing to gameplay while taking away from X and Zero.  X and Zero themselves don't play awful, but they don't feel as tight as they did in 2D.  X's armor looked awful and the concept was only a step above the "collect all 4 parts before you can use it" approach of X5 and X6.  Then there's the plot.  That's all I need to say about that.

X8 is a very poor X game, quit trying to put it up with the series defining X1-X4 for Christ's sake.

It's like saying MMBN5 is good. It's not, it's just better than the one before it.

You know, I do believe that was my first rant of 2008!

:-O

::confetti time::

I liked X8... :/

Except for the stage design... Although it wasn't as bad as the three previous X games... Mostly.

X5 and X6 are both better than X8.  Not a LOT better, but better none the less.

Well, I had about as much fun in X8 as I did in X2, therefore, my point stays.

Although, I will admit the stages seemed to be missing some things, especially ones that weren't "Mega Man" stages at all.

Hell, Gigavolt Manawar's stage is a joke.

The way I see it, unless they're willing to start putting 2d games on the new consoles, megaman x and classic, are beat. due to there simple nature and even simpler gameplay, you'd either have to complicate things(losing the best part about megaman, the simplicity) or go retro on a new system, both ideas are bad in there own rights, obviously true megaman fans will love them, but lately the gaming industry is all about reaching out to different peoples, and capcom is no exception.

in the long run, to bring back x and classic(the good ones) they'd have to pull some pretty risky #####, or go hand held, which is no good cause capcom has always done a good job at keeping there handheld games and there consol games strictly separate, that is to say, they don't go, PS1: X: 1 2 3 4 5 6; PS2: X:7 8, DS: 9, 10 11, etc.

oops, almost overlooked the legends series, yeah, if they could do that, that'd be great, cause the legends series has the most flexability due to it's 3D roots, you can gently change designs and what not and just blame the simplicity of the older games on poor graphics development. but, x and classic, dead. all they have are legends and whatever spin offs on the handhelds that havecome out and I haven't followed. or if they come up with another idea all together, as in a new series.

or if they come up with another idea all together, as in a new series.

Megaman Tactics!

Too late. (http://readamablog.blogspot.com/2006/02/rockman-strategy.html)

We should have got that game...

Ahahahah....

Ahahahah....

Hahaha, exactly what I was thinking!

I know all about Rockman Strategy, I've seen it played before even. But I mean a game like Final Fantasy Tactics, with 2d sprites. Or like Fire Emblem.

When you said Megaman Tactics, I thought of Disgaea with Megaman characters.

That's what I'm thinking too, but Disgaea is too boring.

I would hate it. MegaMan Tactics.

I like tactical games but no. Not with MM. Can't see it being good in the slightest.

With work, I'd guess it could be interesting.



... with work.

Well, after beating MMPU, and starting MHX, I can now safely say that MegaMan is pretty much dead to me.

I might buy some of the new MegaMan games (if any more come out after SF2, that is, and doesn't have SF in the title) but that's about it. I don't think I'll ever be a fan again.

MMPU was MegaMan's last chance... but it was released on the PSP, and failed horribly.

Game was great. Released on a bad system. :(

Now all we have is MegaMan ##### Force and MegaMan ZX.
I probably won't get SF2.

MMPU was OK, but the fact that I couldn't upload my stages disappointed me. So, I gave up on even trying out Classic Mode or playing as CutMan.

Still need to beat MHX, it's not bad... but not enough to make me a fan again. Especially since it came out a while ago. I also dislike the fact that all of the item locations have changed.

Yeah, MHX has some fail in it.. Partly for messing with the story and changing the items.

In MHX I had to change from starting with Chill Penguin to starting with Flame Mammoth... meh.

I still started with Chill Penguin, but I was "WTF'D" when I couldn't find Dr. Light's Capsule.

Man, the game is annoyingly slow without the shoes... I still haven't gotten any of the items except for a heart tank where Dr. Light should have been in Launch Octopus' stage.

Dr. Light was in Launch Octopus' stage? I don't think he was..

Emo fandom is EMO.

There's no point in saying you'll never be a fan again. Stand astute, and keep your eyes peeled for a Mega Man game that meets your standards. It's awfully despondent to act like Mega Man is done for certain. Hey, if you like ZX, we're most likely going to get a third game in that series. Don't let StarForce ruin everything for you.

As for MHX and MMPU, I haven't played much of either. While I can say it was oddly disorienting to NOT find a big ol' blue capsule standing in my way en route to Chill Penguin, that's just the hardcore fanatic in all of us speaking. It doesn't actually make the game bad, we're just not used to it and it feels like the game was torn asunder. If we had a chance to forget MMX and play MHX in its first-time place, you'd think the same of the SNES version.

ACK! My mistake, the heart tank was always there.

>_>;

---

To Aych:

I didn't really like the ZX games, kthx. I said I'll buy the newer games if it doesn't have Star Force in the title. Just because I buy a game, though, doesn't mean I'm a fan of it. I used to be a hardcore fan, playing and beating as many MegaMan games as I could. Now, I barely even think of MegaMan. I'm not a fan anymore, and I said I don't think I'll ever will be again.

For now, MegaMan is pretty dead to me. I'm not looking towards the future because there are other games for me to look forward too. The only reason why I post here is because I have friends here. There's a reason why 90% of my posts aren't in the MegaMan specific series boards. I'm not a fan anymore. MegaMan is just another video game series to me.

I see, well I wish you the best in your gaming prospects, hopefully Mega Man as well.

If we had a chance to forget MMX and play MHX in its first-time place, you'd think the same of the SNES version.

Except the fact you come across the first capsule in Chill Penguin's stage for a reason that's important to both the gameplay and story.  Doing so gives the illusion that you "came across" the capsule in a way that lets the narrative introduce the existence of the capsules ("others are hidden") as well as introduce in a controlled manor some of the back story for X.  All of this was done in a much more polished and thought out manor in MMX as opposed to MHX.  It also sets up one of the most memorable and epic moments in the Mega Man mythos.  "So... you've come." is one of the things that defines the X series for a lot of people and is as associated with MMX as much as MM2 Wily Stage 1 is with Classic.

MHX's changes all reek of the new age Inti ##### that has made MMZ and ZX unplayable, and were changes that didn't need to be made in the first place.  MMX is among the most perfect games in the entire franchise, and when you hone gameplay, design and music to that level, you don't NEED to change it.  There's no need to make something "fresh" by changing it when it wasn't stale to begin with.

Like I've said before (or at least I think so), a LOT of the changes in MHX were good.


... but a lot, if not equally as much, were also bad. Those changes that Rez brings into light, are mostly the bad ones.

Other than Sigma's stages, those were really the ONLY changes they made outside plot.  Well that and nerfing the dificulty.  Adding Vile mode did nothing for the actual game, so it's unimportant.

They should've had the new Sigma stages for VILE. And then kept the original stages for X.

Changing when Zero goes BOOM was another unnecessary change too.

Well, It was better than being a little kid and watching Zero die while thinking he was a girl, then feeling really gay when you found out it was a dude. Just like the time I beat the original Metroid and said "When I grow up I want to be just like Samus" and then finding out Samus was a boy. Sometimes the remakes are a tad bit better.

Changing when Zero goes BOOM was another unnecessary change too.

I was actually OK with that, and playing with Vile I saw as an extra. Mainly, I liked the beefed up graphics and such, but what I mostly hate is:

• Sigma's motive change. (Story concentrated too much on X)
• Vile's theme CONSTANTLY played in ALL his stages.
• Unnecessary change with Dr. Light's capsule.
• Unnecessary change with Zero's death.
• Unnecessary change with Sigma's death.
• Vile's dialouge. (I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU!)

I'm fine with everything else.

The only thing MHX did well was the graphical update.  That was very pretty.  The rest is bad to meh.

What about the voices?

They were ok, but voice overs weren't necessary.

Well, at least it's better than X4's voice acting.

What am I fighting
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!?!?[/Dexter]

The only thing MHX did well was the graphical update.  That was very pretty.  The rest is bad to meh.

I have problems with X's foots not being so big.

If Capcom can't decently revive the series to it's glory then the next best thing is to let it die now.  Not continue on it's track of failure then slowly die.

Oh, it's a horse they'll beat till there's nothing left of it but vapor.

Either Capcom is trying to hard (SF), or they aren't trying hard enough (lack of games), either way, Megaman will be around for awhile. Inafune's claim of making a game in 5 years IS likely to kill the series if it's anything like recent offerings. Either that, or we'll quit getting localized versions of Megaman games. Hell, they butchered the first ZX with that. The bottom line is, people love Megaman for a reason; and it won't die, per se, but become more of a niche than it already has become.

Just gonna ramble on my thoughts here:

A lot of my younger relatives enjoy playing games like Megaman ZX and Starforce A LOT. When I asked them about these games they thought ZX was the coolest game ever, and that the older Megaman games weren't appealing. Personaly I think Capcom is just focusing on the newer younger generation of gamers more than the older ones. In there own way they're making games that are fun for younger children but really I'd wish they would also care about the fans of the older generation.

Y'know that's what they were doing in the beginning.. I think that if we showed a MegaMan NES game to an 18 year old back in the 80's, they would probably have said "it's for little kids, I don't want to play that". So it could just be that we're that generation, disliking some new games that are coming out, even though they're for the younger generation. Really, if you were 18 at that time, and you heard about a little blue man shooting pellets at tinker toy robots and fighting midgets with elemental powers, would you play that game. Today you would have said "lol sure, lemme just smoke up first!" but back in the day we wouldn't have.

I might be drunk but I know this; A good game developer makes a game that appeals to both the classic fans and the new kids on the block and Capcom ain't cutting it. They might doing the businessy thing and making games for the young generation but that doesn't make it a good idea.

And seriously dude, if you don't know that everyone was smoking up in '85-'90; You weren't there.

I don't see how any kid could think ZX is cooler than the Classic or X series.

ZX IZ TEH C0LR 'CAUS DER BE JAPNENSN VOIC ACTIN'!!11111111

Possibly because it's hipper and has better graphics, and this new generation tends to enjoy those things over the actual gameplay.

ZX IMO is almost on par with Classic and X.

It's #####loads better than the pile of fail that is Battle Network, Zero, and STar Force.

*Is mauled by Nibbles*

MMBN was good until four. Excluding chip challenge.

Though I'm really tired of the gameplay. I really don't want to play a game with its battle system anymore. That's why I only beat MMBN games once each (and only got everything in 1 and 3. 2 killed it for me when I could never get a battle with that Lava Dragon thing).

ZX IMO is almost on par with Classic and X.

ZX is good, but it's not THAT good.

ZX IMO is almost on par with Classic and X.

It's #####loads better than the pile of fail that is Battle Network, Zero, and STar Force.

*Is mauled by Nibbles*

How many times are you going to be mauled before you learn your lesson?  How you can compare the awful gameplay of ZX to the polished perfection that is Classic or X (before it was nerfed) defies rational though.

Many MANY times.

Face it, Rez. There are people who have different opinions than you. And repeating an opinion doesn't make it a fact.

However, I do agree that ZX isn't that good.

Don't worry about it, he's not gonna change now, not after all these years.

Did this conversation not happen already? Like almost EXACTLY the same?

Face it, Rez. There are people who have different opinions than you. And repeating an opinion doesn't make it a fact.

However, I do agree that ZX isn't that good.

:: GAPS :: No, you don't say?

Except for the fact the gameplay in ZX IS poorly implemented compared to Classic or X.

:: GAPS ::

how do i gaps

how do i shot gaps

THATS MY KANSAS ACCENT AND I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I'M VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT IT.

Rez is a big fat poop butt SORRY THAT WAS MY MICHIGAN ACCENT

Rez is a big fat poop butt SORRY THAT WAS MY MICHIGAN ACCENT

;_;

Sorry, did I cross the line? DID I?

Rez is a big fat poop butt SORRY THAT WAS MY MICHIGAN ACCENT

Detroit what! Detroit what!

Moooooootown VROOOOOOM!!

Mootown sounds like a cow city.

Yeah, 350 hp twin-turbo cows.

Well I think it will be a past  :'(

But in the net will be able to still find MEGA MAN and be happy about the memories  :)

P.S.

Nothing is bather then MM or MEGA MAN ;)

No no, you got it all wrong. Nothing is bather than a bath.

What about a shower?

Please, nothing beats bathing in a pool of your own filth.

Yeah, NOTHING's better than making your own filthy dirt soup.

Except maybe when people tell you about their dreams. "Oh here's an interesting dream I had.."

Uhf.

I think Megaman's future is going just fine, to tell the true. 

With only Star Force coming out I doubt that.

Don't wory we still have Legends 3 to look foreward to.

But first we have to look forward to it being considered more D:

I think Megaman's future is going just fine, to tell the true. 

What? Mega Man's PRESENT isn't fine.

I think Megaman's future is going just fine, to tell the true. 

You're going to be eaten alive here.  Also, your signature made me EL OH EL.  Suffice to say if that's what you really think, I'm sure YOU'LL be quite happy with whatever Mega Man related garbage Capcom #####s out.  The rest of us will continue enjoy the games that were good and hope in vain that the quality fairy comes back to visit Capcom.

It made my eyes roll.

I stared blankly at it for about a minute and then ran to the bathroom.

I...


Died. ;;>.>

Whatever makes you happy.

Should we tell him? ^.^

Tell him what?

The thing he doesn't know.

Yeah, you know.

Yea, that one thing >.>

The thing that he doesn't know.

But I was really talking about that one dudes sig. And how in reality Starforce is a steaming pile of human excrement. But I think we'll let him have his fantasy.

I dare not touch a Megaman game made after 2001.  Classic and X pwn them all. Even Megaman X8 is better, and everyone knows that game dare not be played twice.

I'll name two games that should shatter that post.

MegaMan Powered Up and Maverick Hunter X are both amazing games that should be played by every MegaMan fan in order to give them back their faith in the series.

I didn't get to play those, I has no PSP >.<

I'd like to say that both games are worth buying an old used PSP for, but sadly, nothing justifies a PSP.

NEDM.

Yea, I played my cousins one day, and I was disappointed. The game selection stinks too.

I told my friend I only had 2 PSP games (take a good freaking guess which ones), and he said I needed more. He mainly suggested some new prequel to FF7 (which I've been seen being played a lot), and some "tactical" game that plays a lot like DDR/PaRappa but more annoying.

That Patapapa game or whatever? That looks cool, actually. I think it's called Patapon, maybe.

I'd like to say that both games are worth buying an old used PSP for, but sadly, nothing justifies a PSP.

LIES.

I can't say what justifies it, though...

I think it's called Patapon, maybe.

That was it.

It sounded annoying. He said it was fun. Not my type.

My friend constantly confuses that with Popotan.  Which is QUITE a difference if you know what it is.

Okay, I won't touch MOST MM games made after 2001.  I hate Battle Network, Z-ZX is just Zero with AIDS, and Star Force is worse than E. T. the Game. But yeah MM:PU is coo and I heard Maverick Hunter X was good. But for God's sake they need to make either an MM9 (preferred) or an MMX9.

Battle Network was made in 2000.

I didn't like MegaMan and Bass anywhere near as much as 7 or 8.  If that was an indication of how 9 will play, I'll pass.  X9 couldn't possibly be good after X7 and X8 so there's no point in even talking about it.