SRSLY CAPCOM. NOT COOL.

You realize that the ZERO series was made by Inti Creates and not by CAPCOM, don't you?

Are you guys done noob smiting and flaming already?

They should have got rid of cyber elves all togheter and allowed the player to collect life ups and stuff like in the X games.

Rockman ZERO was supposed to be different from Rockman X, not just a clone of it, that's why Cyberelves were included.

And the stage design didn't help matters.  If you like spikes and dying every 5 minutes.

That sounds more like ZERO1 than the rest of the series. I never experienced any such frustrating moments while playing the games.

Being a Mega Man fan DOESN'T mean you sugar coat every game that comes out and beg for more.  It means there is a LOT of dissatisfaction and displeasure in the fandom.  It's a passionate fandom.

I'm not saying that the ZERO series was so awesome that I'd want to canonize Inafune and Inti Creates for creating it. But as far as I can tell, there's nothing what really would make me state a negative thing about the series either. Those were, to me, solid games with a good story, awesome music and fair difficulty level.

And the staff here is very hands on.  We don't sit on a pedistle looking down.

I quite hope so.

AND STOP POSTING SO DAMN FAST...

Learn to type faster =P

You don't talk about something with a "neutral" attitude and expect to have a good discussion.

I'm aware of that, by neutral I meant starting a discussion and focussing solely on flaming the series, but perhaps I didn't word it out good enough.

It's probably not.  But it's no X series.

Obviously not. Afterall, this series is about Zero, as the name indicates =P

And any discussion of the series and/or story (any series really) WILL include negatives and reasons to hate.  You don't just sing and dance in the flowers and circle jerk over how good it is.  Got MMN if you want to do that.

That may be true, but to some degree, we should try to maintain a neutral attitude towards it. Just throwing around curse words is nothing but spam. As for TMMN, I rarely go there, I already have my hands full with the chaos on RPM, although I don't moderate the forums anymore.

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*Facepalms*

Rez is gonna chew your ass.

And this is the tone a mod should talk to a regular member? Oh yes Xero, you're doing a good job...

I thought this thread was supposed to discuss the series and it's story, and not to create some hate triads and say how awful it is etc.

Speaking personally, this is my favorite series aside Rockman X and, although I share some negative aspects regarding RZ with you, I don't think it's THAT bad that it deserves such treatment.

If you played X4 Sigma pretty much says that "The maverick hunters sole mission is to destroy the reploids who do as the humans order."

That pretty much means that if the reploid cannot do as commanded it will be destroyed without question.

That's what Sigma said in order to confuse General in regard of the events he [Sigma] had already planned out.

Repliforce was deemed Irregular because they declared independence from the humans after being blamed for being responsible for the fall of Sky Lagoon by Eregion. Sigma took advantage of the Repliforce's pride as soldiers. They would never lay down their weapons when told to.

Although General openly declared that their independence was neither "about insurrection nor rebellion against their human creators", but about their "liberty and security", taking care of their own individual lives and their own survival, the human goverment thought of them as a very dangerous and heavily armed military organization that had to be taken out.

Surely this conflict might have been solved peacefully, but Sigma knew what he was doing. When it was found out later that Sigma was the one who orchestrated all this, the responsible Hunter General resigned from his position and made space for Signas.

Why do you people even BOTHER to discuss this drivel?  Cyber elfs?  Cyber World?  This is one word from some idiot to being connected to Battle Network.

If you're not interested in this discussion, why are you reading this thread in the first place? You don't like Rockman ZERO? Don't meddle in the threads. Take your hatred elsewhere.

Well humans should stop being lazy and help out with the work.

Blame Copy-X.

He was made by Ciel with the objective to "protect the citizens of Neo Arcadia from Irregulars". Since Repliroids are potential Irregulars, they're constantly kept in check in order to supress the mildest revolt that might endanger the citizens, which, to him, are the humans. Neo Arcadia is supposed to be an utopia for the survivors of the great wars, the Irregular and the Elf War.

Copy-X, who's a perfect physical double of X and believes to be X himself, thinks that he must act accordingly and therefore must protect humans from Irregulars, as they can't fight back themselves. Therefore, the smallest mistake or refusal might indicate Irregularity, hence Repliroids are terminated. Since Copy-X lacks X' experience and maturity, he doesn't handle the situation as X would do it, or rather, he acts accordingly to what he THINKS that X would do, with a priority on humans instead of a peaceful coexistence for both races.

The result is obvious. Repliroids in Neo Arcadia lead the lives of an inferior citizen class that are abused by the system and humans as tools.

A reploid is built and are given a set task.  If they cannot perform that task then they are terminated regardless.

This is how Neo Arcadia handles the situation, that's not the general idea. Repliroids are not created solely to do some work humans are to lazy to do themselves. A Repliroid is considered Irregular and handled accordingly if he violates the law, attacks humans etc.

Just saying "No, I'm not doing this. Do it yourself." is not really an Irregular statement, except you're Copy-X but he blames Repliroids as Irregulars for such nullities in order to save energy that said Repliroid would consume instead of saving it for the humans Copy-X was made to protect.

Reploids should be able to have no set task and allow them to do what they want.

That's what's mostly done. Then again, there have been exceptions, like the Repliforce for example.

Most Repliroids seem desire a peaceful coexistence with humans. Racism is no subject in the Rockman universe until ZERO. OCW however notes that in earlier stages, when a Repliroid is drawn into a situation that requires him/her to choose between two sides, it may cause pain that will eventually lead to insanity and therefore becoming an Irregular.

And who says they're slaves? Most work is done by Mechaniroids like Metools and other robots, but not Repliroids. Then again, there is work that can only done by Repliroids. The space development for example required the use of New Generation Repliroids and humans themselves are too weak and vulnerable to effectively fight Irregulars on their own.

There might not have been an actual law that grants Repliroids the exact same rights and equality of humans until Rockman ZX, but they're not considered slaves or mere workers. That's what Mechaniroids are for. You want Repliroid slaves? Then you might consider moving to Neo Arcadia.

If laws were equal between the two then none of this maverick bull##### would have happened....this of course not factoring in the virus.

Huh? There were always Repliroids that were considered Irregulars but neither suffered from Viral Infection, system malfunction or wanted independence from humanity. Take Cedar and Aluce from X7 for example. They're just after money, regular, Repliroid gangsters.

Well, in regard of the whole thing, it might be true that Thomas Right is responsible for the eventual outbreak of the Sigma Virus, BUT let us not forget that the man who failed at copying Right's blueprints of X' circuitry: Dr. Cain.

He's the one who found X and didn't quite understand his functioning, YET he tried to replicate it, leading to the creation of Repliroids, which in turn, because of their inferior soft and hardware, were easy victims to program errors, circuit malfunction and viral infection.

Ben?  have you read the RMZ sourcebooks yet?

Zan Sidera? Fireman? marshmallow man?

They provide me with the stuff I need regarding that.

But Vile's a cool name.

Tell the doctor in his reanimating suit and his head stuck in a lava lamp.

OUT OF MY MMM YOU WEEABOO

Like hell I'm going to change my habits of using the Japanese terminology.

Dr. Light made the maverick virus.

Ignore this man, he doesn't know what he's talking about =P

Enlighten Rez.

Enter at your own risk. It's full of idiocy, and this isn't the only topic where Scuttlest was pulling this crap. Seriously, he gave me a couple of headaches with this.

You can have yours Ben, but don't get it near these guys

*shrugs* Well, I guess it could be worse. At least it's not the same caliber as that Thetis topic on Capcom BBS.

Why should he have a positive look on games that screw up a good series' overall plot?

>___>;

This isn't going anywhere...

X said that without a body he couldn't exist for long. By the time Zero 4 rolls around, he seems to have completely vanished.

At the end of ZERO3, X hadn't enough energy to maintain his appearance in the Substance World. He had to go back to Cyberspace and stay there.

The only known access to 'cyberspace' was created due to Omega's presence on Earth, and those points were sealed upon his destruction.

That may be true, but Cyberelves can freely travel between the two worlds. Thus, they could have assisted Ciel in gathering the souls of X and the others.

Also, after the X series, everyone is dead.  "Cyber Elf" versions or "Model" versions of characters are less than living.  As was said, for all intents and purposes they are dead.  They only server to remind you you're playing inferrior versions of THEIR games.

You have a very negative look on the later series, don't you?

Sorta strange how Biometals were created for X, Zero and Phantom when nothing remained of them to even analyse.

With access to Cyberspace and the help of other Cyberelves, I don't think it was that hard for Ciel to locate their soul data and get them out of there, I think the bigger problem was the time as they would become non-sentient/dead data over time if they stayed too long in Cyberspace. The question is rather how she turned them into Live Metals, but that's probably related to her studies on Model V.

One of my many problems with the Zero series is that it kills off X.

You do realize he's still alive in Rockman ZX, don't you? X, Zero and the Big Four may have lost their original, physical bodies, but their souls still reside within the Live Metals.

Anyone else like this anime?

One of the best series I've ever seen and definately amongst the mega hits of this year's season. The way the story is told, the music, the characters, everything is done tremendously awesome, although the end did suck (but that's what more or less everyone else thinks).

The better classic games are before his advancement on later consoles. Personally, I don't like it when random people diss the classic series saying it sucks because Proto Man can't double jump or Mega Man can't climb walls. I'm not saying you're one of those people to be exact, but I'm just ranting. The classic series retains a good formula that tends not to get spoiled. It's hard to go wrong making a classic Mega Man game.

You know a lot of people can argue with you that the original is awesome because of the speed, because of the "lame" characters, and because it doesn't have all the special upgrade hooplah. Also, are you saying you still haven't touched the original series? Because that's honestly something to get hit by a truck filled with phail for.

Let me refine my earlier statement:

In fact, I did play other Original Rockman games aside Rockman & Forte, mainly the World series (the ones on Game Boy), but Rockman & Forte was the only one I really played long enough.

Also, I'm not dissing the series, I just don't say I don't like it and I'd prefer Rockman ZERO over it. If I was dissing it, I would say it's the greatest ##### CAPCOM ever made or whatever, but that's not what I'm doing. All I'm saying is that I don't like and that I don't understand why people don't like ZERO series.

Then again, our standpoints are more or less the same.

The rest of Xero's points are mainly based on gameplay, and since a lot of people don't like it, you can't really expect the welcome wagon to roll in for the Zero series.

Well, I started my career with Rockman games with X one on the SNES, and I never touched an Original series game besides Rockman & Forte. My problem with that series is that the gameplay is simply too slow for me. I want my dash, my walljump etc. That's why I don't like Original Rockman, besides the lame characters.

1:  Horrible change of design.

Afraid of a change of pace? I like both designs equally.

2:  Unforgiving Difficulty

I thought you people were always complaining about the games being too easy?

3:  Crappy Convoluted Story Line

Story makes more sense than that of Rockman X, if you actually are willing to put it all together.

4:  Cyber Elves

No one forces you to use them.

5:  Ranking System was flawed

Who cares about that anyway?

6:  Idiotic Fanbase (Majority are lamers)

Then you've apparently met the wrong people.

7:  The fact that you aren't playing as a Mega Man.

You couldn't play as Rock any more for years, yet the fanbases of the other series are equally large, if not larger.

Hey Rez, can we clone Nibbles? I don't think one flesh-eating rabbit is enough to satisfy my resentment.

In before flame wars...

And just about everyone had a thong on.

You guys really have wicked imagination. I didn't hear anyone complain about X and Zero from the X series although they also had something like that.

Seriously, this whole "thong" deal is idiotic.

General Question - Why is this series so awful?

What's supposed to be awful about Rockman ZERO? I'd rather call Original Rockman awful.

Of course no one will like it. Over the years, CAPCOM has screwed up the Rockman storyline so much that no one was understanding what was going on anymore. When they finally released the Rockman ZERO OCW, everything was hoping that they would finally set some things straight. But we all know this was not the case and RZOCW actually brought about even more confusion than it was hoped to lift.

I'm having mixed feelings regarding a OCW about Rockman X, I just hope it won't toss all the things we thought that were set in stone into the bin like the ZERO one did with some things.

If it got wrote out of the canon due to being in 22XX, then I give up, since it's just too present that Capcom can't deliever any kind of enjoyment of the story kind, which makes the lack of BoF titles less painful.

We'll (hopefully) know for sure in March next year, when Capcom will release the Rockman and Rockman X Official Complete Works sourcebook(s).

The deal of Light making the Virus was big news that sent alot of fans into an uproar when it was released in Japan, and a bit of googling will show results from other sites in the fandom discussing it, most notably was Heatman and AF, since he and Fireman were doing translations of it for the fans at the time of release.

Problem's more that fake news tend to spread like a wildfire. The whole deal of "Right making the virus" is wrong. An early translation by Fireman that holds no value anymore. He's indirectly responsible, because he built that Suffering Circuit that X possesses, of which Cain made copies that don't work as well as in X, hence Repliroids starting to go Irregular when they're thrown into situations in which they have to determine what side to stand on.

The only other bit I recall this early/late is that CoJ's version stated that Command Mission was canon due to the fact that the Zero Series never really stated it was in 22XX, while the CoA version states outright that Command Mission didn't actually happen

To specify a little more, Compendium of Rockman X says Command Mission is a sidestory unrelated to the regular plot. There's a thread about this on TMMN.