GENERAL ZERO SERIES ENQUIRIES

[NovaMan XP]

Speaking of Mega Man Zero, I'm starting to feel sorry for myself that I'm dying on Easy mode in MMZ1 on the Collection...

Hilariously enough, they cover the spikes that are easy to avoid, but then they neglect to cover the ones that EVERYONE IS GOING TO FALL FOR.

[Majikn]

When you said that, I made a noise like an owl.

Who?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fppKGJD3Y6c

[Johncarllos]

okay?

[ChaosVortex]

o rly?

[Xero]

And what does that have to do with Mega Man Zero?

[ChaosVortex]

Because shut up.

[Majikn]

I didn't QUOTE what I was responding to that was like, two posts away.

Fine, I'll add it in.

[FearTheBeans]

Speaking of Mega Man Zero, I'm starting to feel sorry for myself that I'm dying on Easy mode in MMZ1 on the Collection...

Hilariously enough, they cover the spikes that are easy to avoid, but then they neglect to cover the ones that EVERYONE IS GOING TO FALL FOR.

That came out already?!?

[Xero]

Yeah.

[preventerWIND]

Easy Scenario is Easy. I beat it within the hour.

Seriously, they give you filled subtanks, fully leveled weapons, all the elves are used so you're fast, strong and you jump high, and your health bar is sky high, you can use command charge shots, AAAAND you have that secret Cyber Elf that lets you go invisible for 30 seconds when you hold B..

And you STILL think it's hard?..

[NovaMan XP]

I have no tolerance for it...

The game just isn't fun whatsoever. Even with ridiculous handicaps it feels like a chore to play...

It's not hard, but I was dying in it, because one of the bosses has some stupid spike ceiling BS that I didn't notice at first.

Oh, and Zero 2 had a FALLING spike ceiling during one of the levels, and there was NO warning for it at all. ..I'm just moving and BAM I'm dead. But of course Ciel will contact me to tell me I need to jump over that hole in front of me.

It's not hard, but that doesn't make it any better than regular mode... well, regular mode would cause me to break my DS in half in rage, so maybe Easy mode is for me.

[FearTheBeans]

Im gonna get it. so is it just easy, regular and hard modes? what else is there?

[Mikero]

Yeah, let's totally ignore the actual conversation in favour of this #####.

[preventerWIND]

I have no tolerance for it...

The game just isn't fun whatsoever. Even with ridiculous handicaps it feels like a chore to play...

It's not hard, but I was dying in it, because one of the bosses has some stupid spike ceiling BS that I didn't notice at first.

Blah blah blah..

Yeah I figured. It's fun for me so that's where ##### differs. I really don't see much more appeal to the game though, they really didn't change much; it's just like X collection. But they did enhance the soundtrack, and I know people will hate on the gameplay and stuff and that's all daisies, but if you disrespect the soundtrack I'll stab you to death witha rusty spoon.

[NovaMan XP]

I have no problems with the soundtrack.

I don't even know if it's because I suck or if I'm impatient anymore. I think I'll continue playing more eventually... if anything to at least say I've beaten them. I've only beaten Zero 1 on the GBA.

[Mikero]

You probably don't suck.
If you can play original and original-style MM games without the headache then it's probably the Zero games' fault.

[TheRedPriest]

The soundtrack sucks.

There are VERY few good pieces of music in the Zero series.  Now, from a TECHNICAL standpoint I am actually impressed how much nicer the music sounds being rendered on the DS's sound chip.  It's a lot like the Phoenix Wright games when you compare the sound quality between the GBA and DS versions.  I really wish they'd go back and do that with the two GBA Castleroids.

[TheOnly]

Just got done with MMZ1, the lvls gave me more of a hard time then what the bosses did.

[preventerWIND]

The soundtrack sucks.

There are VERY few good pieces of music in the Zero series.

You sucks! There's actually a good chunk of catchy tunes, but opinions opinions blah blah blah

Now, from a TECHNICAL standpoint I am actually impressed how much nicer the music sounds being rendered on the DS's sound chip.

Seconded.

I really wish they'd go back and do that with the two GBA Castleroids.

It's Metrovania, you old fart!

[Majikn]

I like Castleroids.

[preventerWIND]

A roid like you would.

[TheRedPriest]

I've got a real bad case of Castleroids right now...

[Mikero]

A roid like you would.

[FearTheBeans]

After getting MMZC, i discovered that MMZ1 is WAY harder than the other 3 games. It's crazy.

[TheOnly]

I feel that way as well.

[FearTheBeans]

On mmz1 i cant beat copy x's 2nd form

[NekoMaru]

If you like MMZ, you're already dead INSIDE.  I can't do anything else to you.

I liked megaman zero and enjoyed playing just like all the other series..except legends, I never got to play that...or X7 and these game just plain don't count such as X6 cause that was crap ZXA cause it wasn't that fun and Rocman X cause it was a pirated game and the music made my ear bleed.

[TheRedPriest]

I liked megaman zero and enjoyed playing just like all the other series..except legends, I never got to play that...or X7 and these game just plain don't count such as X6 cause that was crap ZXA cause it wasn't that fun and Rocman X cause it was a pirated game and the music made my ear bleed.

I think you were trying to make a point, but it got lost in the stupid.

[Slugkid]

Here, Rez.

"I liked MMZ.
I didn't play legends, or X7, and I played some games that shouldn't count as games because they are plain or crap, namely, X6, ZXA, and Rockman X (Because it was pirated)"

@NekoMaru, you are really missing out on Legends. Did you play all MMZ games?

[NekoMaru]

Sorry for the long reply but yes i played all of them.

[Johncarllos]

Pft, long reply my ass.
We write walls of text sometimes.

[NekoMaru]

By long I ment the time I took to post it.

[Fatso]

A clearer word in that case, for future reference, is 'late' or 'delayed'.

[Johncarllos]

Ha, we go days between replies sometimes. you being here at least speeds us up to minimum trolling.

[TheRedPriest]

Why haven't we locked this entire sub forum yet?

[Slugkid]

To let off some steam ranting about how bad it is and how nobody likes it and everyone who does is "dead inside"?

[TheRedPriest]

I can still do that even if it is locked.

[Architect]

Wow, I hadn't realized there was so much hate on the Zero series. I'm a little afraid to admit that I enjoy them, because it looks to to do so seems to earn you the mark of a heretic...

I just skimmed the thread, and I see a lot of points and counter points, some I agree with, and some I don't, but I think the games are very well done, especially for GBA. I mean, I've been a gamer my whole life, I've seen awful, and I've seen X7 awful, I've played nearly every Megaman game save for any Star Force title (because it looks and sounds like a power-rangers spin off in my opinion), and I would never say that the Zero series is by any means terrible. Granted, it's got it's fair share of flaws, but now I'm just curious as to why you all seem to hate it so much.
Can someone give me a list of reasons they hate it so much? Hell, even if I disagree I'd still like to know why others hate it so much.

[Fatso]

Most of the reasons are laid out in this thread.

Mind you, I think 'hate' is too strong for most people here (the exceptions should be obvious). I don't waste my time hating bad games - unless they're highly influential as well as bad (see Halo).

Also mind you, there are a few respected folks around here who did enjoy the games (although none I know of that prefer them to Classic/X/etc.)

Also also mind you, I can't list my own reasons in detail because I never spent more than 30 minutes on MMZ.

[Johncarllos]

The gameplay is okay, but the sprites are too big for the screen so it's hard to see anything until it's right in your face.

The grading system sucked.

Cyber Elves are silly and aren't 'MegaMan" enough.

It destroyed the story. I had ZERO (ha) connection to the characters or stories because they changed the looks of the characters too much and made their entire past irrelevant.

[Architect]

I don't think that changin the visual style made the character's pasts irrelevant. It still felt cool ot have to fight X at the end of the first game, even if he was a copy. I could feel the rivalry, it was pretty intense. I'll admit I didn't like the elf system at all, and the fact that the entire second game revolves around them was a lame idea. Like Carlos said, they were definitely not Megaman enough.

[Johncarllos]

BTW, call me John, or JC.
And there's 2 "L"s.

They are okay games, just not good MegaMan games. It also pissed me off that they were what the X series was 'supposed' to be.

[TheRedPriest]

*bans Architect*

No I kid, I kid.  But seriously, the Zero Series is worse than a festering pile of cow #####.

[Mikero]

Copy X fights nothing like the actual X had...

For that matter, in MMZ Zero doesn't play the same as in the X series, so I really don't understand "feeling" the rivalry.

I would get it if they actually fought like the characters in MMX, but they seem so removed from that to me that I couldn't see them as them anymore, robbing the Copy X fight of that sort of meaning (if that's what you'll call it).