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« Reply #2353 on: 8 June 2010, 00:03:32 » |
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It's also just weird for introducing the towel thing and then never talking about it. It's stuff like that what was weird. But yeah I really liked it, despite everyone but Arthur and Marvin being American(ized) and having that gun maguffin. Posted on: 5 June 2010, 22:35:24
Random side comment. It's funny read Scott Pilgrim, sometimes they use real names like Yonge Street, IGA, Licks Burger, and stuff that's pretty Canadian, and then every once in a while you get something like "Wander Bread" showing up. 'Sfunny to me. Also, I have Scott's CBC shirt. |
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ASR
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« Reply #2393 on: 18 July 2010, 22:31:08 » |
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No, not perfect. It was very enjoyable.
The way I understood it,
[spoiler]If they were worried about dying in a dream, and wanted to back out, they could've done what Ariadne did and fall off a high building and wake up before the fall killed her.
Fischer could've looked over his shoulder and recognized Cobb sitting there right behind him at the end of the dream. He also would've realized it wasn't just a dream within a dream as his "subconscious" had supposedly informed him. He would've been confused, and he would've been looking around.
So perfect? I'd say no.[/spoiler]
"Perfect" is always a bad word to use and I should know that by now, but you know what I mean when I say it. Essentially I'm saying "I seriously loved this movie so goddamn much." This was a quality piece of a filmmaking, and the reasons you just listed off as criteria against its quality are nothing more than just personal preferences or misunderstandings you've had with the movie. For every question I've had about the plot, some time thinking or discussing has resolved the problems. [spoiler]I don't quite understand what you're saying about Ariadne jumping being applicable to everyone else - that's not the case. Maybe if you explain what you're talking about a little more I could try to figure out the answer. As for the issue with Fisher recognizing Cobb: they actually address this in the movie. When Cobb is passing by everyone at the end through luggage claim, Fisher notices him and makes an expression that implies he recognizes him from somewhere other than just the airplane. It's a nice little moment which is NOT meant to insinuate that the inception didn't work, but instead just a thing someone in Fisher's position WOULD probably do. He'd think, "Hey, that guy was in my dream..." but he probably wouldn't take it any further than that. As for the problem with Fisher realizing what he thought was reality in the dream (on the shore near the bridge) was not actually reality (once he woke up in the airplane) - don't be nitpicky. Obviously when he wakes up he realizes that it was still part of a dream, but none of that matters since the idea was planted and who cares what the hell he was dreaming. It doesn't retroactively destroy anything because he won't figure out exactly what happened. It's just a dream to him. He doesn't know that the dream specifically changed his thought-process.[spoiler] Anyway, I just really enjoyed this movie. I already know it's one of my favorites. I've always been a fan of Nolan's - Memento is absolutely fantastic, I love The Prestige, and obviously I like his Batman movies even if I don't like them as much as everyone else - and this is a movie of his that really meshed with me moreso than his others. Hope it does well in the box office. |
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Majikn
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« Reply #2394 on: 19 July 2010, 05:07:42 » |
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Logic isn't a personal preference...
[spoiler]They were talking about being trapped in the dream when they apparently weren't, is what I mean, because they couldn't risk being killed and being stuck in some void. And they were in accelerated time all the way down there, yet Ariadne wasn't there very long at all because she jumped and that woke her up to the 3rd level. Anyone else could've done that to go up a level. Not that they would, to be fair. It's just weird that she could do that outside of what was actually established.
Why wouldn't he take the thought further? He was told, in his dream, that he was dreaming. That would mess with anyone, at least long enough for a paranoid glance-around. I think it's a little hole that could've been filled if it'd been addressed sooner.[/spoiler]
When a movie is high quality the ONLY mistakes are nitpicky, anyway. If I said it was bad that would be entirely personal preference, because there's not much really wrong with the movie. It kept my interest. It was oppressive, kind of, with the length of the action and the timed events, but I still really liked it. I'd buy it.
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The Exorcist has taught me that when I'm losing an argument I may save face by vomiting on the opposition.
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ASR
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« Reply #2396 on: 19 July 2010, 17:04:41 » |
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Logic isn't a personal preference...
[spoiler]They were talking about being trapped in the dream when they apparently weren't, is what I mean, because they couldn't risk being killed and being stuck in some void. And they were in accelerated time all the way down there, yet Ariadne wasn't there very long at all because she jumped and that woke her up to the 3rd level. Anyone else could've done that to go up a level. Not that they would, to be fair. It's just weird that she could do that outside of what was actually established.
Why wouldn't he take the thought further? He was told, in his dream, that he was dreaming. That would mess with anyone, at least long enough for a paranoid glance-around. I think it's a little hole that could've been filled if it'd been addressed sooner.[/spoiler]
When a movie is high quality the ONLY mistakes are nitpicky, anyway. If I said it was bad that would be entirely personal preference, because there's not much really wrong with the movie. It kept my interest. It was oppressive, kind of, with the length of the action and the timed events, but I still really liked it. I'd buy it.
I'll give you that there's a lot of things that don't seem obvious at first and still a ton of things I haven't figured out, but I do trust the movie that everything makes sense. It always felt one step ahead of the viewer and I'm going to trust it. However, yeah, there's a bunch of parts that feel like plot holes so you're right. Anyway, to answer your questions about limbo: [spoiler]If you die in the dream world while heavily sedated, you get sent to limbo and are unaware of how you got there. You don't remember you're in a dream. You get lost and stuck there and accept it as your reality. If at some point you realize you're dreaming, the only way out is to kill yourself. This is what happened to Saito, who stayed there for so long that he grew old. There are some exceptions: when Cobb and Mal first went to limbo, they were exploring the dream world. They found it by accident but were still aware they were in a dream. After spending so much time in limbo, Mal eventually accepted it as her reality - causing Cobb, who knew it was a dream - to plant the idea in her head that none of this was real. The other exception is when Cobb and Ariadne follow Fisher into limbo to rescue him. I am not 100% sure on this, but I believe they were connected to Fisher's "dream" while he was "dead" in the snow fort because they didn't kill themselves to get to limbo... they simply were hooked up to the machine. Since they didn't get killed to go there, they were aware it was a dream which is why they did not get lost or stuck there.[/spoiler] Posted on: 19 July 2010, 11:04:24
Oh, and I read the article Speed! Nice! |
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ChaosVortex
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« Reply #2397 on: 19 July 2010, 18:30:31 » |
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Excuse me for I've been away for a while, but I did see Inception. Inception. Perfect. New Top 5 favorite movie.
DITTO. I went in the theatre with Annie and others not knowing what I was walking into. She said I'd like it and at the beginning, with all the shooting and stealthness going around, I was into it. Then my eyes were completely glued to that screen. I was SOOOO INTO IT. [spoiler]At the very ending when they cut you off, a bunch of people (including myself) yelled out. Some said "OH COME ON" and I yelled "YOU'RE KIDDING ME".[/spoiler] Oh, and that theatre was packed, so I was instantly given an impression that this movie was going to be good. I was wrong. IT WAS INCREDIBLY AWESOME. |
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