Comic Book talk (I.E. Marvel, DC, Image and the rest) Spoilers ahead

[Mikero]

Yes, yes she did.

[Panda]

Huh, we pronounce it Roar Shack here.

And what ever happened to Runaways? Stopped reading it after the first volume.

[Lunchebox]

You're pronouncing it wrong.

It went on for a while into the second volume, then Whendon took over at issue 25 last year. There have been maybe two, or three, issues since then.

Whendon = Delays

The next one comes out in Whendonland, on Whendonsday, Whendonvember.

[Panda]

Personal experience and google tells me it's: Raw/Roar + Shock/Shack

Hahaha, so it's not worth getting back into Runaways then.

[Mikero]

I'm just getting into Runaways now, so I'm far behind. That said, just 'cause Whedon delays like every book he writes it doesn't mean they aren't good. Buffy Season 8 has been good, Astonishing X-Men is great, and Runaways is probably awesome too.

[Lunchebox]

Runaways is... OKAY.

It's not as good since he took over.

[Mikero]

Haven't read that far, honestly. The Young Avengers/Runaways Civil War crossover was good though (but I read that because of the Young Avengers and then it peaked my interest in Runaways so I went back and started reading).

As far as I am in Runaways right now;
[spoiler]They just got the Ultron kid and the fat girl hasn't died yet.[/spoiler]

[Lunchebox]

Haven't read that far, honestly. The Young Avengers/Runaways Civil War crossover was good though (but I read that because of the Young Avengers and then it peaked my interest in Runaways so I went back and started reading).

As far as I am in Runaways right now;
[spoiler]They just got the Ultron kid and the fat girl hasn't died yet.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]All Mexicans are robots.[/spoiler]

Yeah, same with me, 'Cause I like me some Young Avengers.

Incidentally, pick up YA: Patriot, Brubaker wrote it, and it is fantastic.

[Mikero]

Was planning to. Tomorrow. Patriot is my favourite YA considering that I love the whole Truth: Red, White and Black thing. Although the MGH ##### was a relatively annoying half-hazard approach to newifying a strand of the idea of Cap getting his power from a drug.

[SacredFireman]

Countdown has reached a hell of an interesting point. Hopefully the war story on Earth 51 will be continued next issue too.

[spoiler] Superman-Prime is about to fight Monarch because he thinks Earth-51 is the perfect Earth he's been looking for (Earth Prime), Solomon lied to Prime and told him such. [/spoiler]


Personally IronLad is my favorite YoungAvenger member because of him being potentially Kang.

[Speed Racer]

Not gonna lie, I miss the days when it was just Superman beating the crap out of people who beat their wives or throwing cars at people. None of that "Superman-X from Earth-3947 fights Batman from Planet Butthole" bull#####.

[Mikero]

But Batman from planet butthole is SOOOOOOO cooooooool!

[Lunchebox]

Was planning to. Tomorrow. Patriot is my favourite YA considering that I love the whole Truth: Red, White and Black thing. Although the MGH ##### was a relatively annoying half-hazard approach to newifying a strand of the idea of Cap getting his power from a drug.

I dunno, I liked the MGH sub-plot.

Personalkly, I like Speed, even if he is one of Wanda's hand-babies.

Countdown has reached a hell of an interesting point. Hopefully the war story on Earth 51 will be continued next issue too.

[spoiler] Superman-Prime is about to fight Monarch because he thinks Earth-51 is the perfect Earth he's been looking for (Earth Prime), Solomon lied to Prime and told him such. [/spoiler]

Personally IronLad is my favorite YoungAvenger member because of him being potentially Kang.

Potentially? No, he IS Kang the Conquerer.

Not gonna lie, I miss the days when it was just Superman beating the crap out of people who beat their wives or throwing cars at people. None of that "Superman-X from Earth-3947 fights Batman from Planet Butthole" bull#####.

Seconded.

[Mikero]

Was planning to. Tomorrow. Patriot is my favourite YA considering that I love the whole Truth: Red, White and Black thing. Although the MGH ##### was a relatively annoying half-hazard approach to newifying a strand of the idea of Cap getting his power from a drug.

I dunno, I liked the MGH sub-plot.

Personalkly, I like Speed, even if he is one of Wanda's hand-babies.

You know, it's been so long since any YA content that I forgot Speed even existed and today was wondering how Young Avengers Presents was a six part series. But I think he's alright, so far.

I think the MGH thing is a good story and all, but when I looked back on it I found it felt a bit "Black kid is on drugs" and the reason I like a lot of Black characters is because they send up stereotypes rather than enforce them. That story could have been done with any character later in the series, even though I did like it and it helped round Patriot out.

And yes, YA Presents Patriot was awesome. I thought it was incredible actually from one of the first line "Sometimes I find it hard not to hate this country". I actually bought the issue (I don't have to) and decided to add YA to my books so I also got the first trade even though I've read all their stuff already. Might as well, since I already buy the other main Avengers books (New, Mighty, Initiative). I realize part of me is a whore for the "Black" issues that some of my favourite characters go through, but that's just 'cause it's where I come from and it was good to see Patriot having to deal with Cap's issues of what America stands for combined with what it is to be an African American.

[Lunchebox]

Was planning to. Tomorrow. Patriot is my favourite YA considering that I love the whole Truth: Red, White and Black thing. Although the MGH ##### was a relatively annoying half-hazard approach to newifying a strand of the idea of Cap getting his power from a drug.

I dunno, I liked the MGH sub-plot.

Personalkly, I like Speed, even if he is one of Wanda's hand-babies.

You know, it's been so long since any YA content that I forgot Speed even existed and today was wondering how Young Avengers Presents was a six part series. But I think he's alright, so far.

I think the MGH thing is a good story and all, but when I looked back on it I found it felt a bit "Black kid is on drugs" and the reason I like a lot of Black characters is because they send up stereotypes rather than enforce them. That story could have been done with any character later in the series, even though I did like it and it helped round Patriot out.

And yes, YA Presents Patriot was awesome. I thought it was incredible actually from one of the first line "Sometimes I find it hard not to hate this country". I actually bought the issue (I don't have to) and decided to add YA to my books so I also got the first trade even though I've read all their stuff already. Might as well, since I already buy the other main Avengers books (New, Mighty, Initiative). I realize part of me is a whore for the "Black" issues that some of my favourite characters go through, but that's just 'cause it's where I come from and it was good to see Patriot having to deal with Cap's issues of what America stands for combined with what it is to be an African American.

Mike, I don't thjink it had anything rto do with Patriot being the black kid, and to be fair, with any other character... Well, you just can't do that story. And to be fair, it was because he wanted to be like his Grandpa, not because he wanted get high or something.

He did something wrong to do something good, in the end.

And yeah, that's part of his development, his blossoming maturity. He was a young guy, and frankly, he kinda #####ed up.  He was so angry all the time, he didn't know what to do. Now he's calming down, and and actually thinking beyond "They #####ed up my Grand-dad".

Hell, at least they didn't make him a junkie, like Speedy.

[Mikero]

Well no ##### they didn't do that BECAUSE he's Black, that's not the point. The connotation is always going to be there, intentional or not. I'm not saying they should never do a story where someone Black has drug issues, I'm just this one was cookie cutter wether he was Black, White, Asian, or Constapatise.

You can do that story with anyone, a kid feels weak and takes MGH to make himself strong. That's it, that's the whole idea, anyone can do that and he didn't want to be like his grandfather as he totally bitched him out right before it. His motive had nothing to do with being like the first Captain America at the beginning, he became Patriot to be like Isaiah but he took MGH in the first place just to be strong enough to avoid getting bullied.

Actually I think I read an article online from this guy who totally hated that part. I kind of like it but it just seemed a bit too typical and easy.

Actually though I never read any of the Speedy stuff, I think it's cool. I like him about an incalculable percent more than I like Green Arrow (I don't like him at all, or his wife), so that helps. But the fact that it happened after he was well established is a bit better. I mean Eli kind of just started with a ##### up.

[SacredFireman]

Lunche I say potentially because Kang tried to force his young self into being a villain and its what caused the exact opposite to happen, with him becoming a hero. So he's  struggling knowing that he could potentially grow up to be Kang, but he's also killed his future self and thus altered his own timeline meaning he doesn't HAVE to be Kang.




In other comics talk I read the Earth X TPB. It was superb and I recommend it, unless you don't like reading too thoroughly cause boy was there alot of text/story.

[Mikero]

It doesn't seem like you read ALL of the first Young Avengers volume, SF. Because if you did you'd know that he very much DOES have to become Kang.

[Panda]

Are we talking about Time Travel in comics again? How futile.

[Lunchebox]

Lunche I say potentially because Kang tried to force his young self into being a villain and its what caused the exact opposite to happen, with him becoming a hero. So he's  struggling knowing that he could potentially grow up to be Kang, but he's also killed his future self and thus altered his own timeline meaning he doesn't HAVE to be Kang.




In other comics talk I read the Earth X TPB. It was superb and I recommend it, unless you don't like reading too thoroughly cause boy was there alot of text/story.

If i could, I would slap you and call you a silly bitch.

Read the damn trade again, because in the end he DOES have to become Kang, in order for Disassembled to happen, for Jessica to have a baby, etc etc.

Also, so the world isn't a living hell.

[Vinchenz Rock]

So I checked out Chapters but it turns out they don't have Watchmen anymore.

Next time I go uptown (which will be in two weeks or so) I'll check out another shop. If they don't have it, I guess I'll just never read it.

My dad did offer to let me read the original comics that he owns, but I'm afraid I'll wreck them somehow so I declined.

[Lunchebox]

You can go to your local Bookstore chain. Like Barnes and Noble. they'll have it.

[Vinchenz Rock]

There is no Barnes and Noble here. There are no bookstores anywhere here. The closest place I can get them is "Uptown", which is slang around here for another city (called Thunder Bay) which is two hours away.

I checked out Chapters. Didn't have it. I'm going to check out Coles next time, because the computers at Chapters says that there's still one copy left there.

I'm just going to have to hope that that copy doesn't sell.

[Yubi Shines]

I didn't really enjoy Lost Girls, but it wasn't bad.

I read the first two Fables -- the first murder mystery one and Animal Farm -- and eh. It's the kind of thing I usually like, but I didn't like the storytelling. Too jumpy.

I find it absolutely hilarious that they [spoiler]killed off Aslan, though.[/spoiler]

[Lunchebox]

Lost Girls is the most boring and ugly porn comic I've ever seen.

... Well, not EVER, but Alan Moore should stick to writing everything else.

[Mikero]

Being sick I can't be at work today so I can't read this week's comics and I'm now realizing that I might miss out on some of them next week if they sell out.

Pout time.

Anyway 'cause I'm stuck here like a child, I've been reading Fables vol. 3 (Storybook Love). So far so good, naturally.

I also have a Flash (Bart Allen's short run as the scarlet speedster) trade I can read even though I've read all the issues anyway.

[SacredFireman]

Haven't had a chance to be on really lately but last weeks comics were great.

In DC
Action Comics: Continuing the Superman and Legion of Superheroes story we learn more about the situation and why the suns in the galaxy have been turning red.

Black Adam The Dark Age: It's final issue, we learn the final fate of Isis and how Black Adam learned what his word of power was changed to, quite a shocking reveal.

Countdown: The battle between the two unstoppable DC characters Monarch and Superman Prime starts and ends here with a shocking ending. A great action issue.

Green Lantern: We get to learn what the Alpha Lanterns actually are and damn if it won't shock you.

Issues I disliked: The latest Death of the New Gods and Countdown to Adventure. Though with Adventure it was only Forerunner's story that I loathed.

In Marvel:
Avengers The Initiative: A great issue. A secret comes back to kill the team. A few characters have possibly been killed off but if they have been I'll be quite angry given my love for two of the possible casualties. Ooh and a member on the team is a Skrull but don't worry we've known he was a Skrull since Marvel Team Up a while back so nothing Secret Invasion related here.

Captain America: A new Cap has been born. You should know who it is given what happened last issue but I won't spoil it. A great issue over all.

Captain America The Chosen: A weird kind of non ending but aside from that  a great issue and great series.

Fantastic Four: A great issue but I now loathe Marvel's time travel rules and paradoxes even more now.

Mighty Avengers: Showing the Mighty Avengers side of the New York symbiote invasion shown in New Avengers a while ago. Good issue but nothing really new so meh.

New Avengers Annual: A great issue. We learn why Strange's magics haven't been working consistently and the team loses three people this issue.

Ultimate Spiderman: Alright, Spidey and his Amazing friends. Iceman and Firestar and more as lots of characters show up to talk at least one who almost blows Peter's cover. We also learn who the Ultimate Universes Firestar is. Great issue.

Posted on:  5 February 2008, 16:36:15

If i could, I would slap you and call you a silly bitch.

Read the damn trade again, because in the end he DOES have to become Kang, in order for Disassembled to happen, for Jessica to have a baby, etc etc.

Also, so the world isn't a living hell.

Yeah I've now read it all and must say I'm more perplexed with this than ever.

[Speed Racer]

I have to read the first six issues of Luke Cage, Hero for Hire and then hold a class discussion on it Monday night. I've read through the first issue, seems like it should be okay. Don't know about the class discussion though.

[Mikero]

I missed some comics from last week 'cause I was sick, so I won't read about/comment on some of the Avengers stuff until I get those ones.

Speed; Those stories are good, his origin is cool and how he starts his new life is interesting I found. Also it gets better once the first actual super villain (who is my favourite Marvel villain ever) appears in his 2-issue story.

[Captain Sanoguchi]

I have to read the first six issues of Luke Cage, Hero for Hire and then hold a class discussion on it Monday night. I've read through the first issue, seems like it should be okay. Don't know about the class discussion though.

'Kay, what class is this? 'Cause I'm pretty sure I'll need to take it.

[Speed Racer]

I have to read the first six issues of Luke Cage, Hero for Hire and then hold a class discussion on it Monday night. I've read through the first issue, seems like it should be okay. Don't know about the class discussion though.

'Kay, what class is this? 'Cause I'm pretty sure I'll need to take it.

Race and Graphic Novels. It's offered at my college, Misericordia University. Yes, I realize that there's "university" in the name, but 4 out of the 5 years I've been here it was College Misericordia.

[Mikero]

I think the only really good Marvel comic I read out of the past couple weeks was New Avengers Annual #2. Everything else was pretty meh, and that sucks 'cause I generally like Marvel more. Marvel is just weird right, thanks Quesada.

[Lunchebox]

Omega The Unknown is pretty good.

[SacredFireman]

May Solicitations have now been released for Marvel and DC.

I'm definitely looking forward to Gotham Underground and Robin, though mostly to find out if this new Spoiler running around is indeed a revived Stephanie Brown.


Back issues I'm reading. Some of the Tangent Comics which I'm reading for the first time. Tangent Joker's great.

[Mikero]

I bought the Marvel MAX trade of The Hood because that character has been awesome for the longest time and I thought I should read his damn OG story finally. So far so good.

[Lunchebox]

The Hood was awesome in his mini and in Beyond.

Now Bendis is writing him, and he stopped being as cool.

[Mikero]

I think he's still as cool it's just harder to get his as badass without having to slap the MAX label on the book.

Like the difference in The Punisher and Punisher War Journal.

Before either Civil War or at least the initial fallout of Civil War ended (before Initiative at least) I read an interview with Bendis where he gave out spoilers (making sure to tell the interviewer to hide these parts in spoiler tags so people wouldn't have to read it) about who the new New Avengers villain was going to be and why.

Obviously it was The Hood but his reasoning and his direction with the character is really good stuff. Basically he wants to turn The Hood into something like The Kingpin only even bigger. The Hood would be kingpin of super-villains in the way that The Kingpin is kingpin of regular villains. That's pretty cool.

[Lunchebox]

I meant that Bendis is writing him somewhat out of character. When Beyond ended he seemed like he was on his was to be a hero.

And now, out of nowhere, he's the Kingpin?

[SacredFireman]

My knowledge of The Hood is sparse to say the least. All I know is he works similarly to Cloak I hear.



I've started reading some of the Tangent comics series. I've managed to buy The Tangent Superman, Atom, Joker and Sea Devils. I honestly love it so I'm now stoked for this Tangent Supermans Reign mini coming up.


Also, Death of the New Gods and Countdown are definitely picking up toward their conclusion.

[Lunchebox]

My knowledge of The Hood is sparse to say the least. All I know is he works similarly to Cloak I hear.

Then you heard wrong.


As for Death of New Gods, I can hear Jack Kirby spinning in the grave, breaking the #####ing sound barrier.

[Mikero]

I meant that Bendis is writing him somewhat out of character. When Beyond ended he seemed like he was on his was to be a hero.

And now, out of nowhere, he's the Kingpin?

Ah I see. The interview seemed like he was taking it right from the mini, which I haven't finished yet.

[Lunchebox]

Well, he's resourceful in the mini, but he's no criminal genius.

And to see him become one in New Avengers is very... Well, sudden.

[SacredFireman]

Ah, I now looked up The Hoods bio. He can turn invisible while holding breath, walk on air and has some kind of electrical discharge ability, pretty interesting.


As for Death of the New Gods, I don't think it'd make Kirby spin in his grave. Decent explanations have been given for why it's happening.

[Lunchebox]

Ah, I now looked up The Hoods bio. He can turn invisible while holding breath, walk on air and has some kind of electrical discharge ability, pretty interesting.


As for Death of the New Gods, I don't think it'd make Kirby spin in his grave. Decent explanations have been given for why it's happening.

His abilities to do so are limited, such as, if he's weighed down, he can't float, and the invisibility doesn't extend to anyone else.


And I read Death of New Gods, and you know what? It's #####. And stupid.

[SacredFireman]

Who here read the Seven Soldiers of Victory series (from 2005 I think it was)?

I'm currently buying back issues of it and liking the story.

It's an interesting concept for a series, a team of people who never meet (except for a few who do at the very ending) and stop an invasion from the future because of their apparently predestined actions.

For one I love the Sir Ystina character though I do wonder where the other Shining Knight dissapeared to. I haven't seen him since Identity Crisis and the Firestorm mishap.

[Speed Racer]

I had to read and present on a bunch of Luke Cage, Power Man issues yesterday. I really liked that Security City issue; plenty of parallels you can draw between that and the Green Lantern/Green Arrow comics that were coming out in that decade.

[SacredFireman]

I had to read and present on a bunch of Luke Cage, Power Man issues yesterday. I really liked that Security City issue; plenty of parallels you can draw between that and the Green Lantern/Green Arrow comics that were coming out in that decade.

I read some of the Green Lantern/Arrow stories in a trade from my library once. Wasn't their team up series mostly about getting people aware of social problems around the world and the like?

[Speed Racer]

I had to read and present on a bunch of Luke Cage, Power Man issues yesterday. I really liked that Security City issue; plenty of parallels you can draw between that and the Green Lantern/Green Arrow comics that were coming out in that decade.

I read some of the Green Lantern/Arrow stories in a trade from my library once. Wasn't their team up series mostly about getting people aware of social problems around the world and the like?

Yup. What I always found interesting is that they would defeat the bad guy of the issue, and then move on, never helping the people rebuild their lives. Perhaps a message to people that if they want to make an impact, they're going to have to do it themselves and not expect higher-ups to help.

Or with the Green Lantern representing the government, saying that the American government doesn't mind meddling with the affairs of people until they believe that everything is "fixed", and then they'll leave those left behind to pick up the pieces of their lives after the government's so-called "reform".

[Mikero]

I love Green Lanter but I hate Green Arrow (and his stupid wife) so I don't think I'll ever read GL/GA.

But the whole thing about never helping people rebuild... Was it deliberate? Like did they actually show them REFUSE someone in the comic? 'Cause if not that might just be oversight. Like how the Avengers didn't follow up on jack ##### after defeating the bad guy until New Avengers.

I had to read and present on a bunch of Luke Cage, Power Man issues yesterday. I really liked that Security City issue; plenty of parallels you can draw between that and the Green Lantern/Green Arrow comics that were coming out in that decade.

Security City was awesome. Those two issues were a big deal at the time too. Another 'big deal' one was (in Essential vol.1) when that guy dies because Cage didn't save him in time or whatever. Basically the guy goes "Cage... you... you son of  a..." and then the last panel is just a silhouetter of Cage leaving the room looking depressed as hell. Apparently that struck a cord or something.

Cage is the #####en' baoumb.

But the newest New Avengers pissed me off sommat.

[Lunchebox]

Yesterday I picked up some Graphic Novels.

Among them was B.P.R.D. Vol. 7: Garden of Souls, I killed Adolf Hitler by Jason, and Preacher Vol. 1.

Garden of Souls I read already, but didn't own, and like everything else in the B.P.R.D. series, it was excellent.

And like everything Jason seems to do (Norse Writer/Artist), I Killed Adolf Hitler was great, trippy, but great.


But Preacher... I heard it was a good, and I like Garth Ennis' work, so I picked up vol 1.

It was absolutely great.