Who was the better DR?

[preventerWIND]

Well it's Capcoms (and I'm pretty sure not only CoA) excuse as to why MegaMan's sooo strong. Justice energy and all that malarkey. And thats why Bass can't beat MegaMan, because he fights for justice and Bass fights for selfish reasons blah blah blah..

ugh

I have mixed feelings about the ending of MM7, MegaMan not taking Wily's bullcrap anymore and threatening to shoot his head in. It's pretty cool, but it also makes idiots think that MegaMan'll kill Wily at some point. And yeah, I've actually heard people say this.

[XJ]

Argh, I don't wanna go searching. But hold on.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xAvnq_7LKbo

At about 1:00, he's "MORE THAN A ROBOT!! DIE WILY!"

[preventerWIND]

Wily: 


Heheh, I gonna do what I should have done years ago..

[Pluvius]

I have mixed feelings about the ending of MM7, MegaMan not taking Wily's bullcrap anymore and threatening to shoot his head in. It's pretty cool, but it also makes idiots think that MegaMan'll kill Wily at some point. And yeah, I've actually heard people say this.

Doesn't Mega Man say something like "It's the same excuse over & over again" in... Uh... Either MM&B, MM8, Power Fighters, or whatever else takes place after MM7.

Argh, I don't wanna go searching. But hold on.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xAvnq_7LKbo

At about 1:00, he's "MORE THAN A ROBOT!! DIE WILY!"

We've all seen the ending. It's a mistranslation. He's supposed to say "..." instead.

[preventerWIND]

You can't say "..." because you're not saying anything!

And yes, we know, but I'm sure his intentions were just the same.

[Chron]

It's totally different.
It keeps Megaman from looking like an angry fool to just say "...".

[Pluvius]

Not to mention people use that "More than a robot" crap as proof that robot masters have free will. They do, but there are better proofs.

[Chron]

Robots like Megaman are Turing-class machines.
All robots until the creation of X (and in fact until the discovery of X by Cain and reproduction of his systems) are the same way.

Turing-class machines cannot exhibit free will, and are programmed to do what they will do. Even if it's killing people; the laws of robotics are fiction, but it's a good idea to program them into machines anyway.

Megaman can, however, attempt to simulate human emotions and ideals, but he cannot think in terms of nebulous imagery, rather opting for a more logical understanding of things.

Unless I've missed something in the whole Megaman back-story.

[TheRedPriest]

Unless I've missed something in the whole Megaman back-story.

You haven't, but Classic has always been presented as the robots being like people.  So when the X series came along and proclaimed "FREE WILL AT LAST LOL" it meant that somehow X and reploids were different from classic robots even though they both act the same.

So we just have to settle that classic robots don't have true free will, and are just programmed to appear like they do.  Works for me.

[Mikero]

Yeah Chron is correct. However, during the whole "more than a robot" business Wily tells MM that robots can't harm humans, which provokes said reply. That suggests that Dr. Light (and possibly Wily) programs his robots with Asimov's laws.

[Pluvius]

Quick Man was deliberately programmed by Wily to betray him & save Mega Man in Super Adventure Rockman. Blues was deliberately programmed by Light to run away & disobey. Forte was deliberately programmed by Wily to develop an inferiority complex.

Yup, that all makes perfect sense.

[TheRedPriest]

Glad you get it then.

[Fatso]

The alternative is to accept the 'living machine' bull#####, so I suggest you get to it.

[Pluvius]

The classic series isn't serious enough to give a ##### about whether or not robots are equal to humans or have free will. That's angst crap better suited to the X environment. Well, The Zero one, since X #####ed up the serious tone by having a recurring boss & stupid ##### like that that didn't fit.

[Chron]

Quick Man was deliberately programmed by Wily to betray him & save Mega Man in Super Adventure Rockman. Blues was deliberately programmed by Light to run away & disobey. Forte was deliberately programmed by Wily to develop an inferiority complex.

Yup, that all makes perfect sense.

There's a difference between free will and acting on past knowledge.

One is spontaneous and without regard to prior information; gut feelings.
The other is rigorous cause/effect and instinct based decision making.

Protoman's actions do not regard feelings or sensitivities of other people/entities, neither do Quick Man's.

[Pluvius]

I disagree. "Gut feelings" are a combination of past experience & a drive to do a particular thing from one's very core. DNA is similar to a robot's goal when designed.

[Mikero]

Yeah but you're an idiot. DNA is nothing like anything robotic, and you're a fool to even mention it.

[Chron]

What does deoxyribonucleic acid have to do with anything?

[TheRedPriest]

DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA!!!!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

[Chron]

As a computer scientist, I have always failed to understand what DNA data is even supposed to be.

It's like people think data is some sort of tangible thing.

[Mikero]

That actually made me laugh. Imagining people trying to touch or hold data.

[TheRedPriest]

Ask Inafune and Inti.  They seemed to think it was a GREAT idea.

[Fatso]

Remember that he produced a game where your PET has an unlimited supply of blank battle chips somehow, as if the things wouldn't take up any space.

Never accuse Inafune of seeking realism.

[Chron]

Actually, I think that represents blank disk space for more programs to fit in.
I don't do much with BN, but I believe "battle chips" are just programs.
No idea why you can't make copies of them.

[XJ]

Remember that he produced a game where your PET has an unlimited supply of blank battle chips somehow, as if the things wouldn't take up any space.

Never accuse Inafune of seeking realism.

Or Lan conveniently had blank battle chips with him whenever he went anywhere and got more when he woke up the next morning.

Just a hunch...

[TheRedPriest]

DNA has no place or relation to Robots.  Chips and data are related to programs and computers.  Weather or not Lan pulls a pouch of them out of his ass is irrelevant.  At least they fit in with the series and work with the plot and concept.  DNA data and cyber elfs do NOT.

[XJ]

Well, cyber elves fit in NOWHERE.

[Mikero]

Remember that he produced a game where your PET has an unlimited supply of blank battle chips somehow, as if the things wouldn't take up any space.

Actually, I think that represents blank disk space for more programs to fit in.
I don't do much with BN, but I believe "battle chips" are just programs.
No idea why you can't make copies of them.

The battle chips were tangible little cardlike things, but I always assumed that after a battle you would receive the data and Lan would download it into an empty chip.

I never thought that the PET just spit out chips. That would be/is stupid.

[Chron]

I forgot that you could pick them up like that. It's been a long, long time since my play-through of BN1.

They are probably just loaded into the PET once found.

[Mikero]

As far as the game is concerned, probably.

But the show... Oophl.

[ASR]

Haha, I just remembered that I was originally going to reply to this thread saying "Tom Baker."

But... I've never actually seen any old episodes of Doctor Who, just the new stuff, and I only know that he's generally the most famous of the Doctors by reading up on it. So, I figured it wasn't my place to make that joke.

I thought it was funny, though, remembering it just now.

[XJ]

Well, aren't you the funny little comedian?

[ASR]

ONE DAY I WILL BE. JUST YOU WAIT. SHUSH YOUR FACE.

[XJ]

Sorry, my face has been acting up lately ever since it learned how to be sarcastic.

[ChaosVortex]

Well, aren't you the funny little comedian?

HA. I see what you did there.

[ASR]

Probably not literally what he meant but I always welcome more excuses to kill the poor bastard.

That's you, XJ. The poor bastard. That I'm going to kill. Death threat!

[Fatso]

OH SNAP

[preventerWIND]

OH SNAP

There goes his neck.

[XJ]

Probably not literally what he meant but I always welcome more excuses to kill the poor bastard.

That's you, XJ.

Fixed.

[Mikero]

It's too bad whichever non-kryptonian made that isn't very good at photoshop, otherwise one could buy that they're actually Superman/Superboy/Supergirl/Krypto.

[XJ]

I didn't make that if that's what you're thinking.

[Mikero]

I'm not. But whoever did make it was pretty bad as it should be rather easy..

[preventerWIND]

It fits Superman 64 though. Like a glove.