I seriously fear Mega Man's future.

[preventerWIND]

Too late.

[Xero]

We should have got that game...

[preventerWIND]

Ahahahah....

[Panda]

Ahahahah....

Hahaha, exactly what I was thinking!

I know all about Rockman Strategy, I've seen it played before even. But I mean a game like Final Fantasy Tactics, with 2d sprites. Or like Fire Emblem.

[Kamon]

When you said Megaman Tactics, I thought of Disgaea with Megaman characters.

[ChaosVortex]

That's what I'm thinking too, but Disgaea is too boring.

[Mikero]

I would hate it. MegaMan Tactics.

I like tactical games but no. Not with MM. Can't see it being good in the slightest.

[ChaosVortex]

With work, I'd guess it could be interesting.



... with work.

[Vinchenz Rock]

Well, after beating MMPU, and starting MHX, I can now safely say that MegaMan is pretty much dead to me.

I might buy some of the new MegaMan games (if any more come out after SF2, that is, and doesn't have SF in the title) but that's about it. I don't think I'll ever be a fan again.

[NovaMan XP]

MMPU was MegaMan's last chance... but it was released on the PSP, and failed horribly.

Game was great. Released on a bad system.

Now all we have is MegaMan ##### Force and MegaMan ZX.
I probably won't get SF2.

[Vinchenz Rock]

MMPU was OK, but the fact that I couldn't upload my stages disappointed me. So, I gave up on even trying out Classic Mode or playing as CutMan.

Still need to beat MHX, it's not bad... but not enough to make me a fan again. Especially since it came out a while ago. I also dislike the fact that all of the item locations have changed.

[NovaMan XP]

Yeah, MHX has some fail in it.. Partly for messing with the story and changing the items.

In MHX I had to change from starting with Chill Penguin to starting with Flame Mammoth... meh.

[Vinchenz Rock]

I still started with Chill Penguin, but I was "WTF'D" when I couldn't find Dr. Light's Capsule.

Man, the game is annoyingly slow without the shoes... I still haven't gotten any of the items except for a heart tank where Dr. Light should have been in Launch Octopus' stage.

[NovaMan XP]

Dr. Light was in Launch Octopus' stage? I don't think he was..

[Aych]

Emo fandom is EMO.

There's no point in saying you'll never be a fan again. Stand astute, and keep your eyes peeled for a Mega Man game that meets your standards. It's awfully despondent to act like Mega Man is done for certain. Hey, if you like ZX, we're most likely going to get a third game in that series. Don't let StarForce ruin everything for you.

As for MHX and MMPU, I haven't played much of either. While I can say it was oddly disorienting to NOT find a big ol' blue capsule standing in my way en route to Chill Penguin, that's just the hardcore fanatic in all of us speaking. It doesn't actually make the game bad, we're just not used to it and it feels like the game was torn asunder. If we had a chance to forget MMX and play MHX in its first-time place, you'd think the same of the SNES version.

[Vinchenz Rock]

ACK! My mistake, the heart tank was always there.

>_>;

Posted on:  2 January 2008, 15:13:27

To Aych:

I didn't really like the ZX games, kthx. I said I'll buy the newer games if it doesn't have Star Force in the title. Just because I buy a game, though, doesn't mean I'm a fan of it. I used to be a hardcore fan, playing and beating as many MegaMan games as I could. Now, I barely even think of MegaMan. I'm not a fan anymore, and I said I don't think I'll ever will be again.

For now, MegaMan is pretty dead to me. I'm not looking towards the future because there are other games for me to look forward too. The only reason why I post here is because I have friends here. There's a reason why 90% of my posts aren't in the MegaMan specific series boards. I'm not a fan anymore. MegaMan is just another video game series to me.

[Aych]

I see, well I wish you the best in your gaming prospects, hopefully Mega Man as well.

[TheRedPriest]

If we had a chance to forget MMX and play MHX in its first-time place, you'd think the same of the SNES version.

Except the fact you come across the first capsule in Chill Penguin's stage for a reason that's important to both the gameplay and story.  Doing so gives the illusion that you "came across" the capsule in a way that lets the narrative introduce the existence of the capsules ("others are hidden") as well as introduce in a controlled manor some of the back story for X.  All of this was done in a much more polished and thought out manor in MMX as opposed to MHX.  It also sets up one of the most memorable and epic moments in the Mega Man mythos.  "So... you've come." is one of the things that defines the X series for a lot of people and is as associated with MMX as much as MM2 Wily Stage 1 is with Classic.

MHX's changes all reek of the new age Inti ##### that has made MMZ and ZX unplayable, and were changes that didn't need to be made in the first place.  MMX is among the most perfect games in the entire franchise, and when you hone gameplay, design and music to that level, you don't NEED to change it.  There's no need to make something "fresh" by changing it when it wasn't stale to begin with.

[ChaosVortex]

Like I've said before (or at least I think so), a LOT of the changes in MHX were good.


... but a lot, if not equally as much, were also bad. Those changes that Rez brings into light, are mostly the bad ones.

[TheRedPriest]

Other than Sigma's stages, those were really the ONLY changes they made outside plot.  Well that and nerfing the dificulty.  Adding Vile mode did nothing for the actual game, so it's unimportant.

[NovaMan XP]

They should've had the new Sigma stages for VILE. And then kept the original stages for X.

[TheRedPriest]

Changing when Zero goes BOOM was another unnecessary change too.

[Captain Sanoguchi]

Well, It was better than being a little kid and watching Zero die while thinking he was a girl, then feeling really gay when you found out it was a dude. Just like the time I beat the original Metroid and said "When I grow up I want to be just like Samus" and then finding out Samus was a boy. Sometimes the remakes are a tad bit better.

[ChaosVortex]

Changing when Zero goes BOOM was another unnecessary change too.

I was actually OK with that, and playing with Vile I saw as an extra. Mainly, I liked the beefed up graphics and such, but what I mostly hate is:

• Sigma's motive change. (Story concentrated too much on X)
• Vile's theme CONSTANTLY played in ALL his stages.
• Unnecessary change with Dr. Light's capsule.
• Unnecessary change with Zero's death.
• Unnecessary change with Sigma's death.
• Vile's dialouge. (I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU!)

I'm fine with everything else.

[TheRedPriest]

The only thing MHX did well was the graphical update.  That was very pretty.  The rest is bad to meh.

[preventerWIND]

What about the voices?

[TheRedPriest]

They were ok, but voice overs weren't necessary.

[Captain Sanoguchi]

Well, at least it's better than X4's voice acting.

[ChaosVortex]

What am I fighting
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!?!?[/Dexter]

[Mikero]

The only thing MHX did well was the graphical update.  That was very pretty.  The rest is bad to meh.

I have problems with X's foots not being so big.

[Xero]

If Capcom can't decently revive the series to it's glory then the next best thing is to let it die now.  Not continue on it's track of failure then slowly die.

[TheRedPriest]

Oh, it's a horse they'll beat till there's nothing left of it but vapor.

[Blasphemy Scarab]

Either Capcom is trying to hard (SF), or they aren't trying hard enough (lack of games), either way, Megaman will be around for awhile. Inafune's claim of making a game in 5 years IS likely to kill the series if it's anything like recent offerings. Either that, or we'll quit getting localized versions of Megaman games. Hell, they butchered the first ZX with that. The bottom line is, people love Megaman for a reason; and it won't die, per se, but become more of a niche than it already has become.

[MOX]

Just gonna ramble on my thoughts here:

A lot of my younger relatives enjoy playing games like Megaman ZX and Starforce A LOT. When I asked them about these games they thought ZX was the coolest game ever, and that the older Megaman games weren't appealing. Personaly I think Capcom is just focusing on the newer younger generation of gamers more than the older ones. In there own way they're making games that are fun for younger children but really I'd wish they would also care about the fans of the older generation.

[preventerWIND]

Y'know that's what they were doing in the beginning.. I think that if we showed a MegaMan NES game to an 18 year old back in the 80's, they would probably have said "it's for little kids, I don't want to play that". So it could just be that we're that generation, disliking some new games that are coming out, even though they're for the younger generation. Really, if you were 18 at that time, and you heard about a little blue man shooting pellets at tinker toy robots and fighting midgets with elemental powers, would you play that game. Today you would have said "lol sure, lemme just smoke up first!" but back in the day we wouldn't have.

[Mikero]

I might be drunk but I know this; A good game developer makes a game that appeals to both the classic fans and the new kids on the block and Capcom ain't cutting it. They might doing the businessy thing and making games for the young generation but that doesn't make it a good idea.

And seriously dude, if you don't know that everyone was smoking up in '85-'90; You weren't there.

[NovaMan XP]

I don't see how any kid could think ZX is cooler than the Classic or X series.

[Vinchenz Rock]

ZX IZ TEH C0LR 'CAUS DER BE JAPNENSN VOIC ACTIN'!!11111111

[ASR]

Possibly because it's hipper and has better graphics, and this new generation tends to enjoy those things over the actual gameplay.

[Xero]

ZX IMO is almost on par with Classic and X.

It's #####loads better than the pile of fail that is Battle Network, Zero, and STar Force.

*Is mauled by Nibbles*

[Vinchenz Rock]

MMBN was good until four. Excluding chip challenge.

Though I'm really tired of the gameplay. I really don't want to play a game with its battle system anymore. That's why I only beat MMBN games once each (and only got everything in 1 and 3. 2 killed it for me when I could never get a battle with that Lava Dragon thing).

[ChaosVortex]

ZX IMO is almost on par with Classic and X.

ZX is good, but it's not THAT good.

[TheRedPriest]

ZX IMO is almost on par with Classic and X.

It's #####loads better than the pile of fail that is Battle Network, Zero, and STar Force.

*Is mauled by Nibbles*

How many times are you going to be mauled before you learn your lesson?  How you can compare the awful gameplay of ZX to the polished perfection that is Classic or X (before it was nerfed) defies rational though.

[Xero]

Many MANY times.

[Vinchenz Rock]

Face it, Rez. There are people who have different opinions than you. And repeating an opinion doesn't make it a fact.

However, I do agree that ZX isn't that good.

[Voulnet]

Don't worry about it, he's not gonna change now, not after all these years.

[Mikero]

Did this conversation not happen already? Like almost EXACTLY the same?

[TheRedPriest]

Face it, Rez. There are people who have different opinions than you. And repeating an opinion doesn't make it a fact.

However, I do agree that ZX isn't that good.

:: GAPS :: No, you don't say?

Except for the fact the gameplay in ZX IS poorly implemented compared to Classic or X.

[ASR]

:: GAPS ::

how do i gaps

[Mikero]

how do i shot gaps