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The age-old topic that we all knew was coming.

What do you guys think would happen if MegaMan truly duked it out with all of his rivals?
I'm not saying one MegaMan versus all his rivals, I'm speaking of the MegaMen from their respective universes fighting their respective rivals

MegaMan - Bass

MegaMan X - Zero

MegaMan.exe - ProtoMan.exe

and so on

As for the first one, I think MegaMan would win this one. Yes, he's a pansy, and Bass is obviously a lot more menacing, but there's SOMETHING about MegaMan that always seems to give him an edge over Bass. I think, as far as raw power goes, Bass could run miles around MegaMan, but psychologically, something causes him to fall short.

MegaMan X and Zero, well I think we all know the answer to this one. Zero, all the way. Yes, X is the main character in the series, but you have to admit, Zero is always a much better player. Moreover, Zero's died a billion times and never seems to stay down (ironically enough, he vaguely resembles another blonde, red-suited figure who seems to die and magically return the next episode) Zero, when he's in control, also seems to have less reserve about fighting than X, so if the time came, he might be able to trash X. He's just the better fighter, to be blunt.

But there are variables, of course, as X could wield even more power than Zero if he just chose to let go.

I'm not going to discuss the other one because I don't care enough about the series, but I'd love to hear what you guys have to say.

The MegaMans and X beat all of their rivals many times.

Seriously.

That's just because we play them...
If not, Bass, zero and protoman.exe would win.

Bass is an imperfect MegaMan clone mistake thing.

Zero is powerful, but X has limitless potential.

And ProtoMan.EXE doesn't even use chips. MegaMan gets the advantage there already.

I have to agree with Nova, he's pretty much spot on there.

Well, they screwed up that "unique limitless potential" thing by giving Zero and Axl the ability to gain powers as well...

Well, they screwed up that "unique limitless potential" thing by giving Zero and Axl the ability to gain powers as well...

DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA DNA DATA LOLOLOLOLOLZ

What do you guys think would happen if MegaMan truly duked it out with all of his rivals?

MegaMan 2: The Power Fighters.

MegaMan X2: The Energy Warriors?

MegaMan Battle Network 2: The... Kilojoule... Sold..iers...

##### it.

If we just sat there watching them fight the MM of each would win every time, if we were playing as the rivals it would be the opposite outcome.

Well, they screwed up that "unique limitless potential" thing by giving Zero and Axl the ability to gain powers as well...

To be fair, X4 and up, Zero only really improved on Saber skills.

But, Rez reminds me why I began to hate X6's story almost two minutes before the intro stage.

zero kick xs but 10000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 times over.

More like Zero dies yet again while X watches and takes notes on what not to do. Zero peaked in X4, he went downhill fast after that.

zero kick xs but 10000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 times over.

I'd disagree. X has unlimited potential. Zero doesn't.

And even though they're robotic, I doubt their lifespan is long enough to fight 10000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 times.

Do they even have lifespans?

They probably get all creaky and old and eventually fall apart. I have no idea really, since reploids are so advance I really don't know. But I'm sure they don't live that long.

Well, X had a good few hundred years before he was killed in the elf wars *shudder*
God Damn Capcom.

He was killed after the Elf Wars.

Elf Wars is MMZ canon, not X canon.

X4 canon stops after the events of X4, REMEMBER?

Not this bull##### again.

X is more powerful than Zero because of his unlimited potential.  The only thing however that gives Zero the edge is Zero WILL finish the fight.

X finishes his fights, but often the bad guys just dick off to come back another day.

Anyway, as abysmal as X5 might be considered, it was the planned end and should be regarded as canon even though we may not want to.

SHOULD be =/= WILL be.

X canan ends with X4 as far as I'm concerned.

but wut about dat AXL guy he's so kewl with his Mac Tens!


The only thing good about X5 was the intro music and video, because even though it was just a ton of still images in a slide show to music, the pictures were neato.

I originally played X5 without playing X4 so I didn't know it was that bad, gameplay-wise. The story is worse than bland.

I think the x6 music is the best.and zero can kick xs butt zero cuts loos and wails on him
x holds way to much back.

I think you missed the point about Zero being inferior to X in terms of power and skill.

all x does is fire crud out of his buster.

And all Zero does is flash is boob-lights and play with his glowstick.

crud > glowstick

Zero even admits X is better than him in X6, when he goes to sleep.

that was the virus talking.

Talk about a lame excuse. Then again, that's the path the games went after X4.

who needs all those armors to beet the bosses?(ill give you a hint...not zero)

Nor X. They're an optional upgrade.

o.k then how far into the stage do you get before dying without the armor.

Beat the game without armour upgrades, save for the compulsory upgrades like the Buster in MHX.

o.k then how far into the stage do you get before dying without the armor.

All the way. Just like a real Megaman player. Now sit down kid.

yea right!

OK then, how far do YOU get?

yea right!

Hey, just because you suck terribly at playing the game doesn't mean everyone else does. Some of us players that actually have some skill can beat all of the Megaman games without using the armors as handicaps. The only times that I have really used them is to grab all of the heart tanks/sub tanks etc. Otherwise, no, I don't need to use a bunch of armor to get through a stage. While it might be helpful, it is not necessary for me.

o.k then how far into the stage do you get before dying without the armor.

Which stage? The intro stage? Oh, can't get past that without some upgrades, it's hella hard : (

Talk about a lame excuse. Then again, that's the path the games went after X4.

Naw, that's just him. Just kidding boy.

I dont use x.hes a wimp.I onley use zero.I beat x3-x8 with zero.

So if you never use X then why do you say Zero's stronger. You should be skilled at both before you judge.

Isn't it impossible to beat X3 with just Zero, since he can't fight bosses?

I mean I tried x and could not beat anyone.he sucks.(his shadow armor is awesome though)

I dont use x hes a wimp I onley use zero I beat x3-x8 with zero.

That's like, 3 or 4 sentences.

You're getting worse.

I mean I tried x and could not beat anyone.he sucks.(his shadow armor is awesome though)

Doesn't mean X sucks. More than likely, you suck.

Isn't it impossible to beat X3 with just Zero, since he can't fight bosses?

I think so.... maybe. Either way, this kid needs to open his eyes and stop being such a little Zero fanboy. It's getting really old.

Im not a zero fanboy.I just dont think x is better.

Im not a zero fanboy.

O RLY?

He can aim around in the pile of s*** that is X7.

Xzeemo, you made a mess of the quote.

: Xearez  29 December 2007, 17:01:09

Im not a zero fanboy.
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O RLY?

u fail at quote lulz

I knoes it :( I fixed it now though. I have no idea how my text ended up inside the little box. Oh well.

Lies.

YOu have Zero in your avatar and you freak out when you find out something about Zero.

Zero fanboy says he's not a Zero fanboy, after so many onesided posts saying "Zero Zero Zero".

I'm confused.

They probably get all creaky and old and eventually fall apart. I have no idea really, since reploids are so advance I really don't know. But I'm sure they don't live that long.

Generally we throw out stuff we don't want to spend money on repairing when we could just spend that money on getting something new and better. There's no emotional attachment to a piece of equipment, but a Reploid would probably get better treatment.

who needs all those armors to beet the bosses?(ill give you a hint...not zero)

::coughblackarmorcough::

I dont use x.hes a wimp.I onley use zero.I beat x3-x8 with zero.

Can't you at least TRY to post better? Adding the periods after Abe's comment is just... Not enough. At the very least use the spell check. It's free and you don't have to do any work.

Actually... with Spell Check, it only fixes one word:

"I dint use x.hes a wimp.I only use zero.I beat x3-x8 with zero."

The sentence is still a mess. No capitalization to names and little to beginning of sentences. No spacing after periods.

It would be better if spell check caught on to dont and don't (it was hard for me to type "dont" just now) but I'm not talking about "onley" that post.

looks like xzeemo fixed his quote.

looks like xzeemo fixed his quote.

Uh...yeah, look at him...going back on his misformatted word.

What a...loser?

Posts like that are rather pathetic. You won't get a lot of respect if you keep it up.

The post you just deleted, smarty.

Next time I'll quote him. That'll stop him trying to hide it.

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Can you be even more dumb?

: ChaosVortex

I am confused

I know

Cover that.
Xero- Maybe there's dumbness to unrelease
Xearez- Come on! You THINK?!

No but we do.  Funny how that works.

Anyways fix up your posts or else.

EDIT:  WTF!  He deleted his post.

He just deleted his OTHER post before I could reply.

...

What the hell is he doing?

I dunno. "Duh! Thanks for pointing that out you win the prize"
Xero... Could you... Just... Y'know, ban? PLEEEASE?

Yeah might as well. 

*swings the banhammer down*

o.k I wont delete any more of my posts.

Exactly.

Too late.

Ah...first ban since being back.

The " Nothing, or nothing you can see" On "who's online" Made me happy. Very.

Happy over someone's ban? If he was that annoying...

And Xero, my post wasn't late. It was a joke. He said he wouldn't delete anymore posts so when he got banned, I said "Exactly".

Lol I was talking to Xereaz.

WIND: AHAHA! Thanks Xero, you're my hero, I hated that little bugger.

No problem.

Xero- Maybe there's dumbness to unrelease

Yes. To unrelease.

Sweet, now I feel like an idiot for posting replies to him in other topics before I read this one.

At least he's gone. What a dweeb.

Heres to many more fruitful and hilarious bans in the future! *raises wine glass*

Y'know, if you really want to get the list started, AA has been saying some nasty things about Matricians... I'm sure you know what I'm getting at Xero..

*slips Xero a Chucky Cheese game token*

Enough. He hasn't done anything really wrong, but there are always members that will talk wrong about another board behind it's back (I'd assume the same for the member Ben). It's not right at all, and I'm pretty sure whatever he's saying wouldn't be 100% accurate, since he was arguing about the definition of a recolor. I think he left and deleted his sheets.

(Ben said we were "flaming" in the Zero topic, although there was none...)

Anyway, since he's dead, so should be the subject.

Uh yeah...back on topic.

Without Xearez I think we have unanimous vote that the MM of the game wins against his rival in every instance. No topic left.

Nah, I don't think so.

You think so, but you're wrong.

If he thinks that, let him try and prove it.

I don't have to prove anything, I base my thoughts off a more-or-less consistently maintained neutrality shown between the characters.

You show me the proof that explicitly says one or the other.

Isn't the point of this to try and prove it?

So go ahead.

Alright then.

Bass is too arrogent and cocky, which is the main reason why he'd lose. He's overconfident in his abilities and prideful, he fights for himself and himself alone while Megaman fights for others and uses that to motivate himself to succeed.

Zero would lose for a couple of reasons. Since X4 he's been primarily a melee character, and his Buster has become much weaker, so that gives X a range advantage. Second, as Rez and others have pointed out, X's limitless potential allows him to exceed Zero's power and ability by an infinate amount. Zero doesn't grow stronger while X does, and does so within a very short space of time.

Protoman.exe loses because, as Nova pointed out, Chaud and Protoman doesn't use any Battle Chips. They relies solely on their ability, and while that's not actually a bad thing in some cases it's a serious disadvantage against Megaman and Lan.

I agree with you on Rock VS. Bass and Lan VS. Chaud. Bass losing is almost a given, they have that typical Goku-Vegeta relationship.

I won't agree on Zero, though. Of course, whenever someone takes to Zero's defense, they get the SOWARD FANBOI finger pointed at them. Xearez's mind numbing tripe aside, though, Zero and X are invariably shown to be equals throughout the series. The very concept of picking one of two characters to play with heavily implies this.

Now, your argument is that since X has infinite potential, Zero cannot defeat him. It's true X has infinite potential. However, I have not seen proof that Zero doesn't have infinite potential. It seems the community has just presumed this and taken it to be fact because X is expressly stated to have infinite potential, while Zero isn't, which is of course a poor, postulated conclusion to come to. The only thing I know to have mentioned Zero's "potential" was X3's ending credits, which shows both X and Zero's power to be wild cards.

Long story short, proof must be provided to substantiate that Zero is NOT capable of surpassing his own limits, that only X is. Otherwise, you can't conclude X is stronger than Zero. Given that they both may have unlimited potential, I'd say the fight leans in Zero's favor, if only due to his killing instinct and apathetic attitude, especially in his "true" state...but IF X were to fight all out against Zero, I really see no clear victor.

It has been mentioned before that their names are a hint at their potential. X, as Dr Light stated, represents limitless potential and limitless danger due to it being unknown. Zero, if taken as the number 0, is a constant by nature and not a variable like 'x'.

Zero hasn't shown the same growth that X has during the series, if anything he seems to have gotten weaker in some areas (eg. Buster strength and use.)

Zero's attitude is perhaps is only edge over X, but if X went all out then I honestly see Zero losing in the end under a constant barrage of long range attacks and cleaver defences like using Frost Tower as a shield. X is more flexible in game than Zero, since he can adapt the powers to the situation more easily than Zero can adapt the techniques he has.

It has been mentioned before that their names are a hint at their potential. X, as Dr Light stated, represents limitless potential and limitless danger due to it being unknown. Zero, if taken as the number 0, is a constant by nature and not a variable like 'x'.

Unless someone can cite a source, this is inapplicable. Truthfully, I remember something like that, but I don't believe that was the meaning behind the name Zero. Zero is a constant, but think about it...why would X be named for limitless aptitude, and Zero named for...just being the same, all the time? That makes him sound like the series' anticlimax, which he isn't. The naming scheme is either irrelevant, or we're missing the point in his name.

Zero hasn't shown the same growth that X has during the series, if anything he seems to have gotten weaker in some areas (eg. Buster strength and use.)

The only growth X has experienced is emotional. His cause to fight is what affects his fighting capability, something Zero rarely struggles with or thinks about in the way X does, so of course X "grows" more than him, but not really in strength. As far as Zero's buster is concerned, it's never actually gotten weaker. The Z-Buster was only gimped in X5 and X6 to keep Zero from being totally unbalanced with both superior melee and equal long-range combat prospects, while still allowing for some more variety (as opposed to X4 Zero, who never used his Z-Buster). The weakened Z-Buster is purely a game mechanic and non-canonical, as you can still see it's power demonstrated in [spoiler]how Zero blew away Sigma at the end of X5, even in the state of ruin he was.[/spoiler]

Zero's attitude is perhaps is only edge over X, but if X went all out then I honestly see Zero losing in the end under a constant barrage of long range attacks and cleaver defences like using Frost Tower as a shield. X is more flexible in game than Zero, since he can adapt the powers to the situation more easily than Zero can adapt the techniques he has.

Eh, I don't really see any concrete reasoning in that argumentation. Like I already explained, Zero is in truth equally able as X when it comes to long-range. Going into the logistics of battle with the techniques and DNA powers is just splitting hairs and wild speculation. There's no real difference in their ability to adapt, and besides, Zero not only acquires powers just like X from certain Mavericks, but he also has a plethora of other moves never shown outside of the X VS. Zero fight, same goes for X.

As I said though, best to not rely on the detailed specifics of special techniques and powers as it's mostly all rooted in gameplay and not canon ability.

As I said though, best to not rely on the detailed specifics of special techniques and powers as it's mostly all rooted in gameplay and not canon ability.

Out of your entire post, this is the part I have the most trouble with. You seem to imply that gameplay, and possibly the games themselves, aren't canon.

You know in a game when you defeat a minor grunt in a hallway, then you move forward, shift to cutscene, then the very grunt you were supposed to have killed is for some reason in the background?

That's what I mean. Of course, all in all, the games are canon (since that's what Mega Man is...a video game series). I'm just saying the exact rules and specifics of certain powers X uses, and the techniques Zero learns shouldn't be used too much in a theoretical battle, as this applies to what happens when a third party is in control of the character on a 2D plane. The focus of topics like these is that of a objective battle, as if you watched it unfold in a cinematic.

In other words, just strip them of most of their weapons and abilities they have/earn in game and go with your imagination for the rest?

No, you don't. They keep all abilities because they canonically fight and defeat the Mavericks, X earning weapons or Zero learning kenjutsu techniques. What I'm saying is all the logistics and attributes typically involved with any abilities don't carry over in a "real" fight, and can change vastly.

I'll use one of your own examples as mine, Frost Tower. Let's say X charges Frost Tower and unleashes it on Zero. Now in gameplay, none of your enemies can destroy the icicle, nor do any even take the prerogative to do so. In a real battle, though, Zero could retaliate with Ryuenjin, cutting up through the Frost Tower and probably melting it too, or at least shattering it. See, this isn't typical of a gameplay situation, but more like what you'd expect to happen in a cutscene.

I'd expect a cutscene to remain faithful to gameplay abilities and limits, not just throw out random stuff for the sake of looking cool.

You mean like MMX4's Zero VS Sigma cut scene?

I'd expect a cutscene to remain faithful to gameplay abilities and limits, not just throw out random stuff for the sake of looking cool.

...Er, well they don't remain "faithful". They never really have, don't now, and probably never will. That's just how cutscenes flow, and there's thousands of direct examples. Besides, there's no rationale in holding that against cinematics like it's a bad thing. Isn't it the gameplay that's being ridiculous in that, again, it won't let me chop through an ice block with a burning sword?

It's NOT ridiculous, you're supposed to just accept it, but if you're gonna split hairs, technically the gameplay is the one being unfaithful.

You mean like MMX4's Zero VS Sigma cut scene?

I never said that was faithful gameplay.

In the context of a cutscene fight between X and Zero, it would make more sense for Zero NOT to be able to shred through X's defence or attacks with ease.

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: Kamon  30 December 2007, 19:31:03

I'd expect a cutscene to remain faithful to gameplay abilities and limits, not just throw out random stuff for the sake of looking cool.

...Er, well they don't remain "faithful". They never really have, don't now, and probably never will. That's just how cutscenes flow, and there's thousands of direct examples. Besides, there's no rationale in holding that against cinematics like it's a bad thing. Isn't it the gameplay that's being ridiculous in that, again, it won't let me chop through an ice block with a burning sword?

It's NOT ridiculous, you're supposed to just accept it, but if you're gonna split hairs, technically the gameplay is the one being unfaithful.

Depending on the temperature of the flames, Ryuenjin could quite easily fail. Unless the technique happens to be Thermite or around that level of temperature, it wouldn't melt through the block of ice so easily.

Of course, that said, Zero's Ryuenjin does destroy Frost Walrus's ice blocks but so does X's charge shot. Zero can't, however, damage the larger blocks of ice that are generated.

Kamon, that is exceedingly picky. We don't know the temperature of Ryuenjin's blade nor how hard or frozen Frost Towers are. I wasn't proposing all this as a pro Zero has against X, it was an example to show how situations like these are why you can't judge capability off only what the player is strictly capable of performing in game.

I know the Thermite thing was picky and unneccessary, but it's the sort of thing I usually throw out in these sorts of debates on Gaia. I'll stop it here.

What a player is capable of doing in game is the only real solid evidence available for character abilities aside from cutscenes taken from the games.

What a player is capable of doing in game is the only real solid evidence available for character abilities aside from cutscenes taken from the games.

Indeed it is. All I've been saying is that cutscenes usually take the highest priority in dictating what can happen or what can't happen within the creation's own fictitious continuum, due to the fact they ARE what makes the game's story and everything you see happen. If you have a, "Hey, why can't I do that while I'm playing!?" moment, virtually anything can happen outside the boundaries of gameplay.

While that's true, we can't disregard gameplay all together in these debates. In the case of Ryuenjin, there is no cutscene use. Therefore, shouldn't we have to use the gameplay rules for it to maintain canon? Otherwise you get people overpowering characters on a whim

No, of course not. You don't ENTIRELY disregard gameplay, it is to be considered.

As for what the rules of, say, Ryuenjin are as far as canon goes, it should still be judged in what is reasonable of the canon. When it comes to that particular technique, I think it would be safe to say it could do things like break a Frost Tower if strong enough. To keep people from overpowering anyone, you really just have to use common sense. Maybe Zero can slice a Frost Tower, but what if a Eurasia sized chunk of ice was plummeting through the atmosphere towards him?

Really, you just have to take it as it comes, case by case. It depends. What makes sense will make sense.

If strong enough, perhaps, but Frost Tower has withstood Magma Dragoon's attacks so Ryuenjin will have to be very powerful to break Frost Tower. We know Ryuenjin can shatter ice, it's just a matter of if it can beat Frost Tower.

I have a cheap-ish combo in the works that would end this debate, if allowed.

Keep in mind elements and their weakness change.

Frost Tower while being weak to a Ryuenjin can also possibly be weak to a Raijenkai as well.

Since Ice is weak to fire and electricity.  But at the same time Ice is stronger than fire.

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WTH CAPCOM.

Not just Capcom. This is somewhat of a universal gameplay element. Pokemon pulls the same thing too.

Enemy Articuno appeared!
Go Charizard!
Charizard used Fire Blast!
Critical Hit!
It's Super Effective!
Enemy Articuno used Blizzard!
Critical Hit!
It's Super Effective!

Yeah it makes no #####ing sense.

JUST KEEP IT CONSTANT CAPCOM!

Capcom didn't make Pokemon. >_>

But it KINDA makes sense... like, if you threw ice on fire, the fire would douse out...

And if you shot fire out of a flamethrower at ice, it would melt... <_<;

They even did it in the past.

Metal Blade > EVERYTHING

It does to me...

Fire melts Ice. Ice is water. Water puts out a fire.

Water conducts electricity. Ice is water. Ice conducts electricity.

I'd say only a few times it doesn't make sense. You'd think a tree pokemon would burn up if it got hit by an electric attack. Electricity does start fires. Fires burns wood.

Reminds me, I didn't understand the whole Battle Network "Wood beats Elec" deal. Everything else was fine.

EDIT: Vinch... *shakes fist*

They even did it in the past.

Metal Blade > EVERYTHING

Seriously, what were they thinking when they had Metalman be weak to his own weapon?

Ice doesn't conduct electricity worth a crap.

It does the same thing in Pokemans, I guess in a way it does. Ice is made from water, which conducts electricity.

While I think X would beat Zero in any case, Aych has a point. How you play doesn't mean that's how X fights.

Anyway on to business I know much more about;

what if a Eurasia sized chunk of ice was plummeting through the atmosphere towards him?

It would melt on entry.

But it KINDA makes sense... like, if you threw ice on fire, the fire would douse out...

And if you shot fire out of a flamethrower at ice, it would melt... <_<;

It does to me...

Fire melts Ice. Ice is water. Water puts out a fire.

Water conducts electricity. Ice is water. Ice conducts electricity.

I'd say only a few times it doesn't make sense. You'd think a tree pokemon would burn up if it got hit by an electric attack. Electricity does start fires. Fires burns wood.

Reminds me, I didn't understand the whole Battle Network "Wood beats Elec" deal. Everything else was fine.

EDIT: Vinch... *shakes fist*

From the desk of Mikero;

Water, Ice, and Electricity
Water conducts electricity because of it's ions. As water freezes it forces it's ions out, which become concentrated in the leftover unfrozen water. Ice is partially deionized and it's molecules and ions can barely move, so it can only conduct about as much as a static electric charge or less, and thus is an extremely poor conductor of an electrical charge.

Wood and Electricity
Wood has tightly bound cellulose fibers, which are too tightly bound to conduct electricity. Wood is an insulator, which is essentially the opposite of a conductor. Insulators do not easily allow the flow of electricity.

Trees are struck by lightning because electricity seeks out the path to the ground with the least resistance and the moisture trapped inside a tree is a better conductor than the air. Lightning tends to do one of three things when striking a tree; Scar it, leave it completely unharmed, or utterly destroying it.

Lightning tends to strike just underneath the bark, where the moisture is locked in water and sap. The result can cause a scar in the tree when the lightning moves down just under the bark, the force of which causes the bark to fly off the tree in that straight line (path of electricity).

In some trees the moisture is mostly concentrated in the deep core of the tree and when the lightning strikes for the the tree is obliterated by the return stroke(s) splitting the trunk, splintering the wood, and launching off branches.

If it has recently rained, a lightning strike can hit the tree and the electricity will move around the surface of the tree along that moisture until reaching the ground, leaving the tree completely unharmed.

However, lightning causes most forest fires, igniting dry wood and leaves with intense heat usually from straight cloud-to-ground lightning strikes that occur independently from a rain storm.

Water, Ice, and Fire
If you were to drop ice on a campfire the fire might go out based on the fact that the ice smothers the fire if it's big enough. However the embers would survive and melt a small amount of the ice which would put out the embers.

But to put a small amount of in a fire, or a large about of ice over a fire would end differently. Water melts more slowly than it freezes, and as such the water created by ice melting over or in a fire appears in volumes too small to quell a fire. A fire cannot destroy itself by such means.

The melted water might wet some of the kindling and wood so it won't burn. But barely.

~Love,
Mike

Water, Ice, and Electricity
Water conducts electricity because of it's ions. As water freezes it forces it's ions out, which become concentrated in the leftover unfrozen water. Ice is partially deionized and it's molecules and ions can barely move, so it can only conduct about as much as a static electric charge or less, and thus is an extremely poor conductor of an electrical charge.

Yeah, I hate chemistry. Probably a good excuse why I didn't know that, but if the ice itself is in the process of melting, it would conduct electricity right?

Wood and Electricity
Wood has tightly bound cellulose fibers, which are too tightly bound to conduct electricity. Wood is an insulator, which is essentially the opposite of a conductor. Insulators do not easily allow the flow of electricity.

[...]

However, lightning causes most forest fires, igniting dry wood and leaves with intense heat usually from straight cloud-to-ground lightning strikes that occur independently from a rain storm.

Yeah, I knew all that... mostly. I can't say I could answer all that on the top of my head, but I vaguely remember this.

Water, Ice, and Fire
If you were to drop ice on a campfire the fire might go out based on the fact that the ice smothers the fire if it's big enough. However the embers would survive and melt a small amount of the ice which would put out the embers.

But to put a small amount of in a fire, or a large about of ice over a fire would end differently. Water melts more slowly than it freezes, and as such the water created by ice melting over or in a fire appears in volumes too small to quell a fire. A fire cannot destroy itself by such means.

The melted water might wet some of the kindling and wood so it won't burn. But barely.

Yeah, the water or ice has to put out the fire in one shot, otherwise the fire still exists.

Only the water would conduct any substantial charge, the ice really can't.

Yeah Mike? Well, can you explain how Wood beats Air?

Air can't pass through a wall of wood.

Well, that makes sense. But how do leaves beat air?

Megaman 2 is full of lies.

Leaves cut through air like razors through wrists.

I always imagined something like vines covering old machinery equipment.

Yeah, makes little sense I guess... but it's my best guess.

Metal Man's own weapon weakness though... different story.

Metal cuts metal every day. But yeah that's dumb game designing.

Another thing: I'm sure water doesn't re-ionize when ice melts, so melted ice is de-ionized water which barely carries an electrical charge. "Pure" water (which is often taken from untouched icebergs) lacks the impure ions of tap water, and thus doesn't carry a charge either since those are the ions that make water carry charges. So even the water FROM ice doesn't conduct.

Leaves cut through air like razors through wrists.

Even when he's busting out 10 twisters at once? D:<

Well, makes sense : \

Metal Man's own weapon weakness though... different story.

What?  Don't you know Metal Man can dish it out but he can't TAKE it?

Ruby Spears Reference?

Not intentionally.  I avoid that crap like the plague.

I'm sure Megaman did say something like that on the show.

And the only thing good to come from the show was Mcneil's Wily.

I don't know about that, brother. There were some hilar lines, brother. You can't forget the brother stuff, brother.

Of course....brother.

Was Hulk Hogan in it?

That or a Goron.

Or even the Macho Man Randy Savage those few times he said brotherrrrrrr instead of something about Slim Jims.

Slim Jims Vs. Beef Jerky, now THERE'S an intense battle